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#1 Posted : Sunday, 2 April 2006 8:48:48 AM(UTC)
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Hi,
I am wondering whether a VK EFI motor will fit in the engine bay of an LC GTR Torana. I have seen them on Ebay, with computer and wiring loom, extractors, etc, and they would give me good performance and economy.

The induction parts (Whatever they are called!) appear to be high, so I wonder whether the bonnet would close. Currently the Torana has a red 6 with extractors, and there is very little room to get the exhaust past the front cross member and sway bar.

I am also thinking of fitting a Supra gearbox (I am still using the original Opel gearbox. I can't complain about it - it has done 260 000 miles). I will use a W55 box. I don't want to cut another hole in the floor, so which box do I need to use?
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#2 Posted : Monday, 3 April 2006 2:30:58 AM(UTC)
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The black 6 will fit exactly where any other Holden red/blue six fits. But it probably will stick out the bonnet. They do in an LH/LX.
The VK Stainless extractors probably won't fit the LC. You are better off getting LC ones modified to fit the black mot
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#3 Posted : Monday, 3 April 2006 6:18:00 AM(UTC)
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You will need to fit WB blue motor extractors.
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#4 Posted : Monday, 3 April 2006 7:40:55 AM(UTC)
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What kind of performance and economy are you looking for? Those engines are over twenty years old and are the last of a design that date back to 1963. They are still fun to modify and you can make them go but there are much better options aroun
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 4 April 2006 5:46:03 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for your help fellas. I won't put a hole in the bonnet to fit a VK motor, so that option is out. I will either modify a 186 or look at other options like those suggested by Brian.

The 186 motor might be a primitive gas guzzler, but it is in keep
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 4 April 2006 5:33:32 PM(UTC)
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Just make is a 202S. It will scream compared to the 173. Use a blue crank in a red block and HEI dizzy.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 5 April 2006 6:06:15 AM(UTC)
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Keeping it simple has its advantages
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#8 Posted : Friday, 7 April 2006 7:59:59 AM(UTC)
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Hi fellas,

Thanks again for responses. I really appreciate that you have given your time to help.

I confess I was silly enough to buy a 186 block on ebay a while back. Supposedly it has 'done hardly any work', is bored to 192, has a balanced steel
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You could use the 186, but being bored to 192 it is already at +0.060 bore, and I wouldn't advise trying to go any further, assuming you could even buy 186 +0.080" pistons. If it's in OK nick though, use it as is.
Personally, I'd go the 202 with a blue c
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 8 April 2006 6:46:40 AM(UTC)
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I'm in Canberra and rarely get near Newcastle, but I'll keep you in mind when next I'm up that way.

The Torana currently has a red 202 in it with the original 173S head and twin throat carbi. It runs well, and will probably go forever, but it
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You could use a blue or black bottom end but then you run into ADR pollution requirements. The blue crank and rods fit straight into a red block (with rope seal), and then it is basically the same thing. Blue/black blocks are no stronger than a red one. Y
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#12 Posted : Sunday, 9 April 2006 9:00:48 AM(UTC)
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Thanks again Byron.

What is the advantage of the blue crank and rods over red crank and rods?
I was going to get a Commodore electronic distributor so I don't have to worry about points. Is that what you mean by HEI dizzy, or are you talking about som
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Thanks again Byron.

What is the advantage of a blue crank and rods over red crank and rods?

I was intending to use a Commodore electronic distributor. Is that what you means by HEI distributor?

I assume jetting up the carby means fitting bigger j
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#14 Posted : Sunday, 9 April 2006 7:13:21 PM(UTC)
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Fully counterweighted crank - makes the engine rev more smoothly and develop more even torque. Blue rods are the same as XU1 rods - they use SJ Chev or 253/308 rod bolts. The HEI dizzy is the Commodore blue/EFI black one. You are also correct on the carby
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#15 Posted : Monday, 10 April 2006 7:56:30 AM(UTC)
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Elec Engineer eh! I'm an education officer in the RAAF. Over the years I have worked with a lot of RAAF Elec Engineers. Most of them are too busy mucking around with computers to put a spanner on a car.

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#16 Posted : Monday, 10 April 2006 10:40:30 AM(UTC)
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When you started this post you were talking about power and economy and I noticed you have just said your driving is aimed at getting maximum economy. This is why I mentioned alternate engines. You will get a reasonable amount of power out of a
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Thanks Brian.

I'm learning a lot from what you and Byron have said. I'll continue reading for a while so I have a better idea of the options before I do anything.

Fuel economy is an issue, but one thing about the old motors is that they are fairly r
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 9:34:46 AM(UTC)
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be careful in your hunt for economy. It seems a bit silly to spend 3000 or 4000 to get another 10 mpg, unless you are doing big mileage to recover the cost.
the black/red motors can done quite cheaply.
the black efi block should have the engine number
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 5:27:14 PM(UTC)
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Black crank and rods are the same as blue, except for a locating dowel for the flywheel which can easily be removed.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 3 May 2006 9:01:45 AM(UTC)
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Hullo again Byron,
I'm still reading everything on this site about modifying red motors. I think I'll go with the red 202 block with blue or black crank and rods.

In your previous post you advised me to get a head that gave 9:1 or up to 9.7:1 compress
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