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#1 Posted : Sunday, 9 April 2006 5:17:18 AM(UTC)
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Looks like a counterfeit Bathurst Monaro is in the making!

Check the link and save the pics so you don't get caught in the future paying big bucks for a "Genuine" Bathurst Monaro.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/B...WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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#2 Posted : Sunday, 9 April 2006 12:48:00 PM(UTC)
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This listing (#4628742144) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, 9 April 2006 7:09:00 PM(UTC)
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The guy had cut the chassis number out of the firewall on a postage stamp sized piece. The correct way to sell it would have been:

HG Bathurst Monaro front cut. Complete with free ID plates.

The numbers have been sent to Ben Stewart, so the car will
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#4 Posted : Sunday, 9 April 2006 10:54:40 PM(UTC)
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The bids were up to just over five grand when I posted this so the seller may have opted to accept the highest bid.

I have no problem with someone getting the best possible price for their goods but I do have a problem with someone down the track tryin
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#5 Posted : Monday, 10 April 2006 5:43:36 AM(UTC)
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I cant see your point when you say that it would have been a "counterfeit so-called matching numbers car" All of the identity of the car was for sale, so it would have been a genuine matching numbers if these tags were placed on the correct body shell.
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#6 Posted : Monday, 10 April 2006 6:07:32 AM(UTC)
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As British law stands the chassis number is the car. this was established in a case about 6 years ago when some people rebuilt a rare rolls royce around the chassis number. the court held that it was the car.
Australian law generalyy follows uk law so i
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#7 Posted : Monday, 10 April 2006 6:29:20 AM(UTC)
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OK, Firstly I guess I should have said "all original" rather than "numbers matching".

In my opinion and it is only my opinion, is that there is a significant difference between what you describe than what is likely to happen to those tags.

You descr
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#8 Posted : Monday, 10 April 2006 7:46:51 AM(UTC)
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Why? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
The rest is just emotion.
Would you feel the same if someone showed you a car that could be verified as a Bathurst but had been rolled and the body shell and guards an
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#9 Posted : Monday, 10 April 2006 7:21:24 PM(UTC)
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I can tell you now that I could buy the plates and I have a body shell ready to take them. The chassis number is easy (lots of work though). However I won't do it for a number of reasons ranging from I don't want a HG to I have enough Bathurst cars. BUT,
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 1:29:44 AM(UTC)
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Phew,
Yes it's a can of worms all right, but I guess no one wants to pay out the big bucks just to find out it's a mocked up 186S.

With HR's there's no way of identifying whether the vehicle was a factory 186S or X2 unless you have the maintenanc
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 4:30:49 AM(UTC)
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Yes this is an emotional issue and although I see the point as to the fact that legaly and technicaly the final product may appear to be legitimate in my opinion (yes just another opinion) I would never see that car as a true Bathurst Monaro.

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 5:21:42 AM(UTC)
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Good point, and I'd agree with you if we were talking about say Bruce McPhee's 1968 Bathurst winning GTS 327, or the Colin Bond/Tony Roberts example from 1969 ie a specific car. Personally I see it differently when it comes to a generic example, as it was
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 8:26:56 AM(UTC)
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Personally I agree with Byron, but everyone has missed the issue in the first post. There is no such thing as an HG Bathurst Monaro, it is a 350 HG GTS. The only early Monaros built to run at Barhurst were the HK and HT.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 4:49:43 PM(UTC)
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WHOA.... that was a big call. Technically there is no such thing as a "bathurst" monaro. They never left the factory as a Bathurst. They never had Bathurst badging, and they were never referred to as a "bathurst" by GMH. So they raced at Bathurst, so
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 5:21:44 PM(UTC)
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The HG GTS350 manual had the same suspension as the previous 1837 models. Built to race but never did.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 7:10:54 PM(UTC)
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Hi Guys.

I agree with WHOA, this Bathurst tag is over-used.

Wouldn't it be truer to say that only the actual cars that raced at Bathurst, by actual chassis number should be called the 'Bathurst' Monaros. That would mean that the real Bathurst Monar
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 8:53:43 PM(UTC)
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Too true Dr Terry, I guess I set the cat among the pigeons. What I was getting at was the word Bathurst is used too loosely along with Sandman. A lot of people nowadays think any panelvan is a Sandman.
The original 327 HK was specificaly designed to win

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#18 Posted : Tuesday, 11 April 2006 10:17:38 PM(UTC)
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Does anyone know if the HK 186S Kingswood raced at Bathurst in 1968 was a 4-speed or 3-speed? If so was it an Opel or Saginaw (if a 4-speed) or a crash or all synchro (if 3-speed)? Just interested, particularly if they raced a HK with an Opel! People thou
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, 12 April 2006 1:29:10 AM(UTC)
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This is an endless topic within the GT realm as well. Most GT enthusiast are taking rebodied GTs seriously and are now recording numbers of plates selling on ebay etc. As mentioned before, no-one wants to falk out big dollars for a factory original GT if
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 12 April 2006 1:39:50 AM(UTC)
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Byron, I would hazard a guess and say 3 speed crash as that was standard in them. The Opel would definitely not handle it being originally a 4 cylinder box, I saw a brand new HK 186S Monaro drop its gears all over the start line at the Bairnsdale drags in

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