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Since my old girl got bent up I have been looking around for replacements as an option rather than fixing her up. I have heard of a HR Premier 186s factory four speed. The most I can find out is that there were about two hundred made, Opel gearbox :( and about 30 of the two hundred were Premiers.
Can anyone tell me more or give me an idea of where to find out ?
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There would be no exact numbers as they were a regular production option, like trying to find out how many VT executives have factory cruise control with supercharged engine (GM-H would probably be able to tell you how many 186S engines they used and how
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For what I can remember 500, 186s 4 speed opel gearbox had to be built and sold for Bathurst race, to race against ford GT Falcon V8 also a lot of 186s had 3speed and autos after these 500, 186s 4 speeds were sold you had to order them with what ever comb
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This might sound really stupid but I didn't have any thoughts about four speed being produced with racing in mind. I actually can't remember ever hearing anything much about HR's in motorsport !
From the sounds of it though it will be hard to find out
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Probably ten thousand of them made.
Like EH power steering. I hear evrything from "only 400 made" to "all Premiers had it factory"
Truth is they were fitted by the dealer, so again thousands would be a more accurate estimate. |
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Hi Guys.
A few myths deleloping here. The minimum number to race for Bathurst in 1967 was 200 (not 500) & was only 100 prior to '65, but I don't think Bathurst homologation was a priority for GM-H for the 186 S 4-speed. Were any actually entered ?
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The best way to identify is by the genuine reciept with list of options. You will not find it on a Built sheet as these were not introduced until late 1968.
As there is no 100% way of identifying it, as long as all the parts are there it should be righ
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Like the Doc says, the 186S was an option and so was the 4 speed.
I am restoring a 186S 4speed HR Special sedan, have seen a few HR Prem sedans with this combo and have been told the Hydro Electric Commission in Tassie ordered HR 161 utes with the opel |
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Thanks guys - now clear as mud :) seriously though many of the comments gel with what I'd already heard, I had also been told about the hydro four speeds.
The car I am looking at is gen/original with papers, wasn't concerned about heritage, just try
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What about HR X2. 186s four speed and twin carbys with header manifolds.
How many of these were produced.
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AFAIK the 186S and opel came at the same time. I did hear two X2 4 speeds were made, but cannot confirm this.
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Does anyone know if Opel in Germany still carries parts for these boxes?
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About as likley as Holden carrying parts for a box that old. |
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I'm pretty sure the box is the same as that used in the some of the later models, apart from having a steel pressed "pan" instead of an alloy plate. As they were known not to be a strong box I doubt that they would have been chosen much over the M20 when
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Hi Guys.
These boxes were very common in Germany & they were usually seen behind 4 cyl engines, that's why we consider them weak.
Cars like the Opel GT, Ascona & Kadett (60s & 70s) etc. They would be like Aussie 4 -speeds here, plenty of 2nd hand o |
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Thanks Dr Terry, you wouldn't happen to know what they are called over there would you? Like TH350, M20 etc I dont imagine they call them an "opel 4 spd"
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Hi Guys.
I suppose it is just called the OPEL 4-speed, isn't our 4-speeder just the Aussie or Holden 4-speed (please don't say it's the M20 because so is the Opel & the Gemini & so on).
Anyway to answer the question, I think if you just quote an app |
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My dad worked for the local Holden Dealer when the 186S 4 Speed came out and he bought one of them new. Was definitely just an option and was a replacement for the twin carb set-up, whatever they were called.
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Hi hx-sandman
The twin carby motor was called & the X2 (it was a 179 X2 in the HD & a 186 X2 in the HR series) & was replaced by the 186 S in June '67.
One of the main points of this post is that the 4-speed Opel gearbox was a separate option to the |
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My brother had a HR withan original opel 4 speed in mid 80's. He bought the car off an old guy and it had never been touched/altered. It only had a stock 186. Not X2 or 186S. He broke 2 opel boxes in pretty quick succession then put a 5 speed celicia box
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