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#1 Posted : Monday, 6 January 2020 5:57:05 PM(UTC)
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Just wondering if anyone knows how many HK-HG Broughams, Premiers were made in total?
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#2 Posted : Monday, 6 January 2020 6:44:44 PM(UTC)
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Dr Terry or Warren might have some figures but I don’t think there is any definitive answer. I have full Statesman production figures but not Brougham.
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#3 Posted : Monday, 6 January 2020 7:01:08 PM(UTC)
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Could you tell me those production figures. Interested in if possible to break down 6 cylinder Statesman HQ!
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#4 Posted : Monday, 6 January 2020 7:50:12 PM(UTC)
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That is the rarest Statesman in the Australian market. They only made them for a while, later by order only. Will look for the figures later, had a NAS meltdown on the weekend, recovered all data but I don’t want to access it unless absolutely necessary as it is on a single HDD at present.
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Document dated 14/12/84 (after end of WB Statesman body production), received by GMH Public Affairs Department 17/12/84 lists 749 HQ Statesman. This compares to 1587 HQ V8 Statesman (253, 308 and 350). I assume this document is only local stuff and was compiled from a report out of the IBM 360 right at the end of WB scheduling. There is no mention of 6cyl Statesman in HJ or HX and these were exported to Asia, which is why I assume it is local only.
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Thanks for those facts!
Still hoping someone can shed light on HK-HG Brougham figures.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, 9 January 2020 1:35:12 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for those facts!
Still hoping someone can shed light on HK-HG Brougham figures.


One could only look up the rego figures at them times.
I don't think that Holden put forward the sales of the Broughams as it would of been a bad strategy, giving Fairlane ammunition.

I believe you could option the Brougham with the GTS instruments, but not steering wheel.

I see that the option of dual exhaust can be done on sedans Kingswood and Premier V8's, must be just like the GTS Monaro system with 4 tailpipes. never seen this my self tho.
But the Brougham could not opt duel exhaust as this car was all about how quiet they are being a major point to boast about. I would think that one could put the GTS system on them but just have to lengthen the pipes a bit to reach the muffler due to the longer rear.

I like the HT Brougham the best due to the high seat backs front and rear and the 308 badge on the front guards, the HG does not get all that, but the 3sp auto would make the HG a much better car to drive.

I don't believe that the Statesman was as quiet as the Brougham inside and the prestige of the Brougham exceeds the Statesman as she has only a 308 as standard and not associated with any of the 253 or 202 rubbish.

The only Fairlane to boast of a V8 only is the ZH so that makes them exceptional, at least one would not have mistake you have only a 6 cylinder, like is Jo Blow's Fairlane a 6 cyl ? evidently not ! would be the response.
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Dual exhaust was optional (where not standard) on all HK-HG with V8 other than Brougham and HT 307.

HQ Deville was the direct comparison for Brougham, and these were minimum 308 powered. HQ Statesman had no comparison in HK-HG.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 9 January 2020 10:17:17 PM(UTC)
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Motor industry did keep records of all types of things, this is how we know the Fairlane out sold the Brougham. But the Brougham was aimed at the top line Fairlane, not the 200 three sped manual drum brake version.

ALl this info once existed, it has just been lost due to no relevance after a few years.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 18 January 2020 1:38:33 PM(UTC)
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I just found my notes on the Broughams sold
For the Year 1969. Fairlane 8622, Brougham 3104, VIP 3192.
For the year 1970. Fairlane 9130, Brougham 1788, VIP 2174.
For the year 1971. Fairlane 8492, Brougham 3580, VIP 996.

Now Brougham sold from 8/1968 I have no figures on them and as for Statesman coming in 7/71 I would say around about 2400 Broughams in 1971 could be close number and with all up Brougham must be around say near to 8500 in total may of been made.

And the Valiant VIP ends around about 6/1971 as to the low numbers as the VH Valiant comes out.

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Originally Posted by: Warren Turnbull Go to Quoted Post
Motor industry did keep records of all types of things, this is how we know the Fairlane out sold the Brougham. But the Brougham was aimed at the top line Fairlane, not the 200 three sped manual drum brake version.

ALl this info once existed, it has just been lost due to no relevance after a few years.


Around 10% of Failane were 6 cyl base models my notes said on the ZA.

A mates mum had a 200 6 cyl ZA Fairlane and then they got the 302 ZB Fairlane 500 next.
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Originally Posted by: Warren Turnbull Go to Quoted Post
Motor industry did keep records of all types of things, this is how we know the Fairlane out sold the Brougham. But the Brougham was aimed at the top line Fairlane, not the 200 three sped manual drum brake version.

ALl this info once existed, it has just been lost due to no relevance after a few years.


Around 10% of Failane were 6 cyl base models my notes said on the ZA.

A mates mum had a 200 6 cyl ZA Fairlane and then they got the 302 ZB Fairlane 500 next.



There may have been few 200 engined but still a lot of V8 base model Fairlanes. A break down of Fairlane and Fairlane 500 would be needed for a true comparison.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 12 February 2020 9:39:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: castellan Go to Quoted Post
I just found my notes on the Broughams sold
For the Year 1969. Fairlane 8622, Brougham 3104, VIP 3192.
For the year 1970. Fairlane 9130, Brougham 1788, VIP 2174.
For the year 1971. Fairlane 8492, Brougham/Statesman 3580, VIP 996.

Now Brougham sold from 8/1968 I have no figures on them and as for Statesman coming in 7/71 I would say around about 2400 Broughams in 1971 could be close number and with all up Brougham must be around say near to 8500 in total may of been made.

And the Valiant VIP ends around about 6/1971 as to the low numbers as the VH Valiant comes out.


The number of 1971 Broughams is way under 2400 as I have recorded an 11/71 HQ DeVille with a Body No. of 1582A and a 12/71 V8 Custom with a Body No. 347A and a 3/72 6cyl Custom with 320A (Dec build around 200A?), these are just from the Elizabeth factory, Pagewood also produced them and even if they made half the amount Elizabeth did that is around 3000 examples from the 3580 total. Not all be counted in the 71 sales figures but most would.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, 16 February 2020 12:07:13 AM(UTC)
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Gday to all, Just read this post about the Holden Brougham and it reminded me of the Brougham that I owned between 1976 and 1986. It was a beautiful car and a great long distance cruiser. The car was painted Verdoro Green with white vinyl roof, and it had white interior with the high back seats and centre arm rests. You could drive it all day and not get tired. I remember driving back to Melbourne from Perth in 3 days by myself. One day I did 880 miles (1400km) stopping only for petrol. My car was a HT fitted with 308 motor and Trimatic gear box (It was a late HT hence it was probably one of the first Holdens with the Trimatic). I did all my own work on the car including complete engine overhaul, and respray which I did in the back yard using 2 pack paint. The car was fitted with all the extras for the time including Frigidaire air conditioning and power windows, power steering and power brakes and the interior looked like a Cadillac. I had fitted 7 inch chrome wheels with HQ Statesman hub caps but other than that the car was pretty stock. The car never missed a beat or held me up in over 100,000 miles I travelled in that car. Two problems that the car had were undersized Girlock disc brakes and very sensitive super light power steering. I lost the brakes a few times due to boiling of the brake fluid usually when travelling in the high country. I knew when I was about to lose the brakes as the pedal would go spongy and then the next application there was no brakes. I got used to using the handbrake on those occasions. Once the brakes cooled down they would work normally again. It was also very heavy on brake pads. Oh for the good old days; I wish I still had that car. Cheers Mike

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Gday to all, Just read this post about the Holden Brougham and it reminded me of the Brougham that I owned between 1976 and 1986. It was a beautiful car and a great long distance cruiser. The car was painted Verdoro Green with white vinyl roof, and it had white interior with the high back seats and centre arm rests. You could drive it all day and not get tired. I remember driving back to Melbourne from Perth in 3 days by myself. One day I did 880 miles (1400km) stopping only for petrol. My car was a HT fitted with 308 motor and Trimatic gear box (It was a late HT hence it was probably one of the first Holdens with the Trimatic). I did all my own work on the car including complete engine overhaul, and respray which I did in the back yard using 2 pack paint. The car was fitted with all the extras for the time including Frigidaire air conditioning and power windows, power steering and power brakes and the interior looked like a Cadillac. I had fitted 7 inch chrome wheels with HQ Statesman hub caps but other than that the car was pretty stock. The car never missed a beat or held me up in over 100,000 miles I travelled in that car. Two problems that the car had were undersized Girlock disc brakes and very sensitive super light power steering. I lost the brakes a few times due to boiling of the brake fluid usually when travelling in the high country. I knew when I was about to lose the brakes as the pedal would go spongy and then the next application there was no brakes. I got used to using the handbrake on those occasions. Once the brakes cooled down they would work normally again. It was also very heavy on brake pads. Oh for the good old days; I wish I still had that car. Cheers Mike


Good one !
Yep my 253 HG went through brake pads quickly as well but I never got brake fade Hardie-ferodo brake pads I used in 1982-3

Every car that I bought back in the 80's had glob of crap in the brake res, I use a thing to suck it out with and then use a rag to get the rest of the glop out and then fill the res and drain the lines from there on.
Spongy brake normally has to do with the brake oil boiling, brake fade just comes on quickly it's like oh no it's lacking braking power and then f--k ! no brakes, from my experience.

I think dealerships used the DOT3 crap back then and my old Mechanic father in law demands Dot3 or goes into spac mode claiming that you bugger the seals up with DOT4,d'oh! well that maybe true with crap seals on cars made who knows 1960's.
My mad mate had a VZ SS and put HP pads and HP rotors and got it's 2 year service and I was holing in behind him, when he when straight across a highway and I said on the UHF what the f do you think your doing, well the peddle went to the floor and lost braking power and just by arse did not get T boned. that's them drop kicks mechanics for you, I never trust anyone with things like that because most are totally ignorant, I am sure if you had the latest HSV Commodore with the real big brakes they would put DOT3 in it for sure.
Just a extra $1 in brake oil could save your life and others, but no !

I love the high backed HT Bro seats but you can make a bed out of the Premier and Bro short bucket seats as they will recline all the way, you just slip the front seats forward all the way and recline fully, so when you were on the piss at a party no worry's you had a bed to crash out on, but then I got a Sandman P Van boy I miss that Van.

How did you go with the banjo diff in the Bro ?

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You can learn from the ABS, Australian Bureau of Statistics, the # of cars sold each year by the different manufacturers. Given most broughams would have been V8s, except the rare 6s HK 1837 mentioned.
With HKs most would be Chevs. So if you can get an idea of how many 6 cylinder Premiers were made obviously all the rest were brougham or premier V8s.The ABS can break it down into how many were 6 cyc. and how many were 8 cylinder. Before internet and online and google etc you had to go to the ABS to search the number, but now with online web etc, you can probably do it sitting in front of your computer and you will find a lot of other interesting stuff as well. All statistics go to that office. I have been to the one in here in Canberra with the idea to go there for 1/2 hour or so to check something out. Well I left 3 hours later. Just kept coming across all this other very interesting stuff that. ie you will find that Holden made X number 2 door sedans in 1968, of course HKs, and of those how many 6cyl and how many were 8s but that is as far as it went, it did not break it down any further into the size of the engines though, which is what I went there for to begin with to try find out how many HK327s were made. That was in 1990s some time. Can’t remember now but it may have been broken down into how many from each plant.
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