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#1 Posted : Monday, 6 January 2020 5:57:05 PM(UTC)
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Just wondering if anyone knows how many HK-HG Broughams, Premiers were made in total?
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#2 Posted : Monday, 6 January 2020 6:44:44 PM(UTC)
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Dr Terry or Warren might have some figures but I don’t think there is any definitive answer. I have full Statesman production figures but not Brougham.
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#3 Posted : Monday, 6 January 2020 7:01:08 PM(UTC)
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Could you tell me those production figures. Interested in if possible to break down 6 cylinder Statesman HQ!
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That is the rarest Statesman in the Australian market. They only made them for a while, later by order only. Will look for the figures later, had a NAS meltdown on the weekend, recovered all data but I don’t want to access it unless absolutely necessary as it is on a single HDD at present.
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Document dated 14/12/84 (after end of WB Statesman body production), received by GMH Public Affairs Department 17/12/84 lists 749 HQ Statesman. This compares to 1587 HQ V8 Statesman (253, 308 and 350). I assume this document is only local stuff and was compiled from a report out of the IBM 360 right at the end of WB scheduling. There is no mention of 6cyl Statesman in HJ or HX and these were exported to Asia, which is why I assume it is local only.
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Thanks for those facts!
Still hoping someone can shed light on HK-HG Brougham figures.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, 9 January 2020 1:35:12 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for those facts!
Still hoping someone can shed light on HK-HG Brougham figures.


One could only look up the rego figures at them times.
I don't think that Holden put forward the sales of the Broughams as it would of been a bad strategy, giving Fairlane ammunition.

I believe you could option the Brougham with the GTS instruments, but not steering wheel.

I see that the option of dual exhaust can be done on sedans Kingswood and Premier V8's, must be just like the GTS Monaro system with 4 tailpipes. never seen this my self tho.
But the Brougham could not opt duel exhaust as this car was all about how quiet they are being a major point to boast about. I would think that one could put the GTS system on them but just have to lengthen the pipes a bit to reach the muffler due to the longer rear.

I like the HT Brougham the best due to the high seat backs front and rear and the 308 badge on the front guards, the HG does not get all that, but the 3sp auto would make the HG a much better car to drive.

I don't believe that the Statesman was as quiet as the Brougham inside and the prestige of the Brougham exceeds the Statesman as she has only a 308 as standard and not associated with any of the 253 or 202 rubbish.

The only Fairlane to boast of a V8 only is the ZH so that makes them exceptional, at least one would not have mistake you have only a 6 cylinder, like is Jo Blow's Fairlane a 6 cyl ? evidently not ! would be the response.
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Dual exhaust was optional (where not standard) on all HK-HG with V8 other than Brougham and HT 307.

HQ Deville was the direct comparison for Brougham, and these were minimum 308 powered. HQ Statesman had no comparison in HK-HG.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 9 January 2020 10:17:17 PM(UTC)
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Motor industry did keep records of all types of things, this is how we know the Fairlane out sold the Brougham. But the Brougham was aimed at the top line Fairlane, not the 200 three sped manual drum brake version.

ALl this info once existed, it has just been lost due to no relevance after a few years.
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I just found my notes on the Broughams sold
For the Year 1969. Fairlane 8622, Brougham 3104, VIP 3192.
For the year 1970. Fairlane 9130, Brougham 1788, VIP 2174.
For the year 1971. Fairlane 8492, Brougham 3580, VIP 996.

Now Brougham sold from 8/1968 I have no figures on them and as for Statesman coming in 7/71 I would say around about 2400 Broughams in 1971 could be close number and with all up Brougham must be around say near to 8500 in total may of been made.

And the Valiant VIP ends around about 6/1971 as to the low numbers as the VH Valiant comes out.

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Originally Posted by: Warren Turnbull Go to Quoted Post
Motor industry did keep records of all types of things, this is how we know the Fairlane out sold the Brougham. But the Brougham was aimed at the top line Fairlane, not the 200 three sped manual drum brake version.

ALl this info once existed, it has just been lost due to no relevance after a few years.


Around 10% of Failane were 6 cyl base models my notes said on the ZA.

A mates mum had a 200 6 cyl ZA Fairlane and then they got the 302 ZB Fairlane 500 next.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, 19 January 2020 9:38:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: castellan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Warren Turnbull Go to Quoted Post
Motor industry did keep records of all types of things, this is how we know the Fairlane out sold the Brougham. But the Brougham was aimed at the top line Fairlane, not the 200 three sped manual drum brake version.

ALl this info once existed, it has just been lost due to no relevance after a few years.


Around 10% of Failane were 6 cyl base models my notes said on the ZA.

A mates mum had a 200 6 cyl ZA Fairlane and then they got the 302 ZB Fairlane 500 next.



There may have been few 200 engined but still a lot of V8 base model Fairlanes. A break down of Fairlane and Fairlane 500 would be needed for a true comparison.
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