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#1 Posted : Wednesday, 4 February 2009 8:06:51 PM(UTC)
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Hoping that someone might be able to shed some light on the codes that I have found on HRs.

Some are three numbers, others a letter in the insert, saw D the other day.

I have spoken to several people about them but still no one has cracked it. Anyone here managed to yet?

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 4 February 2009 10:06:34 PM(UTC)
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Hello Warren, the numbers and letters mean different things. For example it might mean a paint colour code or a trim colour etc. For example the number 1704 means Silver Mink paint colour.
Hope that helps,
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 5 February 2009 3:18:07 AM(UTC)
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That would be fine but HR do not have insert they have top and body colour only, not insert. Last to use insert for paint code is FB.

Also the trim combo number would reflect this if it was a paint code. Ie a Silver mink all over car would have 1150 ### on the trim line, a silver mink car with Ermine white roof would have 1240 ### on the trim line and a car with Grecian white roof would have 1205 ### on the trim line.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, 5 February 2009 8:33:12 AM(UTC)
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Is this the sort of thing you mean Warren might be one for the Dr. I know earlier vehicles had a code for auto trans and others for various commercial options.
Are the tags you have found just utes,vans and base models or do they run the whole range?
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Warren. I have been told that the D stamped on a HR tag meant that the car was optioned to some degree.
This came up in a conversation to do with X2s and it was said that a X2 optioned cars should have that
D stamped on the tag as the X2 package was a option.
Like on this tag off a X2 HR.

Is this D in the bottom left corner in the same area that you have seen them.
I would be interested to see if any other X2 owners have the same D on there tags and to hear any other comments on this too.
Cheers Paul.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, 5 February 2009 5:56:05 PM(UTC)
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I have foiund the D on a couple of cars, but placed after insert. Some commercial some sedan.

Yes the 166 code that is shown is the stuff I am trying to find. You mention manual and auto, the M after 2106 would be for Manual.

Alos I do not think HD have these codes and HK do not, so why just HR?

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#7 Posted : Thursday, 5 February 2009 11:51:33 PM(UTC)
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This might be left field but could part of it be something to do with post December 1967 HR commercials? Probably not, but it just occurred to me.

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#8 Posted : Friday, 6 February 2009 12:08:52 AM(UTC)
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Hi Guys.

Warren & I have discussed this previously, but no one seems to know the answer.

Ive seen the D many times on the body plate of both HDs & HRs, & in more than one location. On the INSERT line is the most common, but also on the TOP line (on single tone cars) & on the MODEL, TRIM & PAINT LINES as well. Ive only seen 2 as pictured. This probably just differs from plant to plant, like the EK auto option no. scenario.

In most cases, the cars concerned had some type of option, like heavy duty alternator, radiator, suspension or similar. In most cases the cars were government or fleet vehicles, even Army & Navy. Ive seen many ex-taxis with this also, again pointing to some type of heavy duty option or package.

I doubt it has anything to do with X2 or S engines or front discs or Opel gearboxes, Ive seen too many of those without the D on the body plate.

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#9 Posted : Friday, 6 February 2009 7:23:26 AM(UTC)
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Ok so from what has been said the D could be a option related thing but nobody is sure of that.
Here is another tag picture with the D on it for reference.

I do not want to steal the thread or anything but has anyone seen this before or got any ideas to the meaning of these letters.

Cheers Paul.
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May it stand for Dulux or similar ? As being in the paint section this would make some kind of sense as they are the people who supplied the paint , but i could not understand why they would bother or need to put that in if it was . I have seen on James Meehans HK 307 GTS Monaro with Factory Air Con, that his windscreen had the "zone toughened" decal still on the front windscreen and just next to that a "D7" round decal . Which was apparently a GMH Directors Car and this signified this so i was told . Probably no correlation but worth mentioning .
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#11 Posted : Friday, 6 February 2009 8:15:47 AM(UTC)
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Found a D on the ID tag of a one owner (family) car that my Grandfather bought new. Odd colouring of green only, wheels & interior included. Built in Adelaide. I will post images when I work out how to do it. Drum front end, no booster. Looks like a Standard model with Special badges. Havent seen one the same in Melbourne.


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Thanks Paul,

This one has the 040???? and the D????

Very interesting in the places the D is turning up.

I do not think Dulux were around then I think they went by the name Balm back then.

The number that you have shown Paul on the crossmember has two parts. The part number is for the entire assembly, with brakes and springs. As this is not sold as a complete assembly the part number does not appear in parts books. The second is the two letter code, this appears on production Broadcast sheets to help the workers assemble the cars.

Hope this helps.

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#13 Posted : Friday, 6 February 2009 8:31:50 AM(UTC)
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Hi Warren, the car that I just mentioned was my Grandfathers until the mid 80s. My Father went to Adelaide to bring the car back as his father was unable to drive anymore. I now have the car. It is green only, no white paint.
My Father, now 83, retired from GM-H as a paint chemist in about 81. He had been with GM-H since the 50s. I will ask him about Dulux & when they came about. His memory is still sharp, so I will quiz him tomorrow.
May shed a little light.

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#14 Posted : Friday, 6 February 2009 8:52:14 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Warren for the explanation on the frame writing.
Would it mean HR as in HR model, M manual, R right hand drive but what about the D and would the P mean Perth. As it was from a HR manual right hand drive Perth made car.
The worst thing about the car the second tag picture came from is that it is now a bash car
http://gallery.oldholden..._SS/HR+pics/HR+Bash+Car/
and as such is one of the most unoriginal HRs I have seen.
So no clues as to what the codes meant on the tag.
But under that yellow in places I did find the original Finisterre Green 585-8566 paint.
Utility8 you have to host the pictures you want to post here at somewhere like photobucket
and then copy the img code on to what you are posting.
If you get stuck doing that send me what you want to post to HQSS@oldholden.com and I will stick it up here for you.
Cheers Paul.
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Hi Paul, I will plug away at the images today. Colour is also Finisterre Green code 585-8566. Thanks for the offer of image posting. Ive got a short attention span, if I struggle, youll get an email tonight.
Maybe the D was used to identify a specification change or feature for the particular vehicle. A reminder, if you will, for the production line crews? Or GM-H dealers? In my particular case, the car is all one colour, wheels included. I havent seen many at all painted this way. Mind you, it was a SA car.

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A shot of the HR, all green. One family car. My grandfather bought the car new in 1967. Drums all round, no booster. The additions that I have made to the car recently are venetions, white walls & a special warmaride heater.
A few minor repairs, better bumpers, taillight lenses & better body bright work. Window rubbers also. Lowered a little too, sorry.
We believe the car has gone around the clock once and currently has 24,000 miles on the speedo. This car is unmolested.



The D is present in the lower left corner.



Firewall I.D. number.



Well, what do you all make of it with the D on this cars ID Tag?
All ideas considered.
Regards, John.

PS Thanks Paul, (hq ss), for your offer with posting images, I managed to sort images out. No hair left though!

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Hi John

We are still no closer on this D thing, Ive seen it on so many HD/HRs now.

The number you are calling the firewall ID is actually the chassis number. The NSW RTA call it the VIN/chassis just to confuse everybody. It should appear on your rego papers. Also it should have another letter after the A, probably on the other side of the pressed hump in the firewall. Its probably another A.

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Hi guys i cant shed light on this i also have the ""D"" on 2 of my 3 hr sedans the silver mink prem has the "D" in front of its "TOP D 585-9562.

And a very big question mark on my TARANA TURQUOISE special sedan which i bought 15 years ago as an "X2" with all the goodies including the genuine X2 wiring harness minus the x2 engine !!!!!
This is were it gets realy weird !!The interior was Samoan Tan HD Premier ,at the time i didnt care if it was a mok up or not the car was bargain 4 $650 on gas with the twin stromies,
I started investergating the interior and found this same colour car with this same interior configuation on 2 other vehicals except one was the HR prem interior(( Now this has left me very confused for a long time now with out any answers )))

Ive gust found this site and went out and checked the ID tag on the old girl and found the TOP code:: No as 585-9562 D
Thanks guys i am still CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!!
Can any one help me????????
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quote:
I do not think Dulux were around then I think they went by the name Balm back then.


Talked with my father today about his work with GM-H. He was an industrial chemist working on paint back then.
He originally worked for BALM, (British Australian Lead Manufacturing), from 1946 until 1955. BALM was a paint manufacturer in that era. He then went to GM-H in 1955.
GM-H had the licence from Dupont for technology, manufacture & sales of Duco & Dulux products from about 1936 when the licence was established. Later, approximately 1955, is when Dulon (acrylic) came about.
Asking him about the D on the ID plate, he had no recollection, but did not think it was any reference to paint. Then he went on about paint.

As far as the paint codes on the ID Tag goes.
The first 3 digits, i.e. 585-####, refers to the paint product.
The 500 series, as with HR, is Dulon (acrylic).
The 200 series, possibly earlier Holdens?, is Duco.
The 300 series, is Dulux, possibly a house paint product?

The last 4 digits, i.e. ###-8566, refers to the paint colour.
585-8566, as mentioned by hq-ss earlier in the thread, is Dulon Finisterre Green.

Back in the day, apparently the paint code used on the ID Tags was to reference the bulk paint used at the factory. To get an amount for repairs etc., the actual code was different. Obviously able to cross reference. Costing, bulk versus small lots, was believed to be the reasoning behind it.

Not a lick to do with D issue, but info is info.




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#20 Posted : Sunday, 8 February 2009 6:26:32 PM(UTC)
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Hi guys this is just an out of left field guess and probably wrong...

anyhoooooo

when date coding the manufacture of parts ie master cylinders, front ends etc on HK some parts were date coded and at the end of the date code there was a A or P on the master cylinder designating the shift that built it.... on the front end the date code ends in a "D" signifying day shift.... I am assuming this was an early quality control identifying mark...

as the HR was 1 model pre the HK as we all know could this... on the HR could holden quality control tried to identify the shift the car was built for a similar purpose....

did they then realise they got no significant information from just putting the shift signifier on the tag and needed to put the shift information on the individual componentry

as I said... just a wild guess...

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