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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 8 May 2007 4:57:34 AM(UTC)
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hey all i have a hq 10 / 71 and im looking for a motor that will be the right date now iv found 1 that was made on 30 june 71 . what i want to no is how long befor the car was made was the eng made???? like do you think that can work as to make it look as the 1 it came out with???


and 2nd the motor in it dates to a hj and i was told by vic roads that motor was not in any other car. so do you think that can be the right motor??
i was told the car was driven around the holden plant..
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 8 May 2007 5:26:21 AM(UTC)
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I'm no expert on this (there are others here who are), but from what I've read here over the last few years on this topic, it does seem that sometimes engine dates can pre-date a body date by a few months. So it's probably conceivable.

No idea on the
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 8 May 2007 6:10:56 PM(UTC)
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A HQ is dated when the engine meets the body. So once an engine is built it is sent to the factory and attached to a chassis. The chassis is then fitted to a car and the car is dated. How long do you think this process would take?

Now some engines do h
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 8 May 2007 8:24:30 PM(UTC)
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It will be obvious if the 30/6/71 cast date engine was originally fitted to a HQ - the engine number will start with Q (or 11Q for a Statesman). Otherwise it will start with the engine size eg 186, 253 or possibly but unlikely G as in GD, GL etc. As Warre
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 8 May 2007 10:51:11 PM(UTC)
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Byron, I doubt that GM-H wold sell a second hand car 4 years later with anew engine, it would no longer be under warranty in 1974 and would just be sold as a second hand car.

As for Vic roads sayingthat the engine was not fitted to another car, that ne
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 8 May 2007 11:35:39 PM(UTC)
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I've heard of internal sales to employees of prototypes, staff cars etc. The latest AMC magazine talks about exactly that happening at Ford. But yes, it would have been a secondhand car, and if the employee worked in the right department then a new engine
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 9 May 2007 12:40:28 AM(UTC)
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But even if the person worked in the right department it would be a NASCO replacement engine, as the factory could not order an engine without a VIN.

for a car to survive that long is very much against GM-H policy with regard to its fleet, the car woul
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 9 May 2007 4:14:26 AM(UTC)
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Agree that the scenario I proposed is very unlikely. Just trying to explain one possible solution (albeit extremely unlikely). Out of interest, what is the prefix and first three numbers on the engine in it now? Does it start with N?

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 9 May 2007 5:02:53 AM(UTC)
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the eng in it now is QR616606. and 1st reg in 71 but car was made in nsw but nsw rta dont no sh#% as they did not have pc's then. the long tag is 80837qh708097.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 9 May 2007 5:27:16 PM(UTC)
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Most rego departments removed a lot of the info when the big bad millenium bug thing was going around, they also got rid of a lot of info on cars that had not been registered for many years.

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#11 Posted : Thursday, 10 May 2007 5:56:03 AM(UTC)
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I can confirm it was an internal/special sales car. Warranty start and first registration was 10/71. No engine number was recorded as was apparantly normal with internal sales cars.

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#12 Posted : Thursday, 10 May 2007 7:29:15 AM(UTC)
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Also just because a car was made in NSW does notmean that it would be registered in NSW.

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#13 Posted : Thursday, 10 May 2007 8:16:21 AM(UTC)
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It is most likely is a reco motor, and like Warren said it could have been any old block they had at the time in the workshop. The 308 in my HJ was changed out at 200,000 kms and is a 78 block.

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#14 Posted : Friday, 11 May 2007 5:05:05 AM(UTC)
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how do you no all this stuff???
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#15 Posted : Friday, 11 May 2007 5:31:48 PM(UTC)
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I don't.
All i've learnt is from reading, asking questions, looking at cars etc.
I remember back in around 1994 when I found my Warwick Yellow HK GTS327 sitting neglected in a 4x4 wrecking yard, looking at the ID plates and knowing what 81837 meant, but
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#16 Posted : Friday, 11 May 2007 6:59:48 PM(UTC)
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Hi Guys.

To add to what Byron has said, one of my favourite sayings (which I've actually stolen from Warren) goes

" The more you know, the more you know what you don't know".

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It does get frustrating too when well respected publications like AMC make mistaks with their facts, or publish information so that it is not clear and it can be interpreted other ways. Like the latest AMC where they state that the 253 was available in th
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