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#1 Posted : Thursday, 19 June 2008 8:44:43 AM(UTC)
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hi all,
im lookin at building a new engine for my hj, its got a red 202 in it at the moment, but being a P plater it doesnt really have the grunt one needs to get up and go. was thinkin about gettin a Blue or Black block and building it up from there, but not really in the know when it comes to engines so was wondering if any one could give us a few pointers on some good stuff to put in there, and what sort of power u can get out of them. dont want to spend excesive amounts but happy to spend enough to do the job.

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#2 Posted : Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:22:05 AM(UTC)
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do a search under 202....theres heaps
also go to google

http://www.performancefo...owthread.php?t=67231520

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#3 Posted : Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:37:35 AM(UTC)
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For a P-plater there's more than enough grunt available from the old red 202 to satisfy all needs. I've got one in my HQ. I rebuilt it 40thou over, flat tops, mild cam, ported head, larger valves, extractors and a twin carb setup on an X2 manifold.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:37:35 AM(UTC)
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For a P-plater theres more than enough grunt available from the old red 202 to satisfy all needs. Ive got one in my HQ. I rebuilt it 40thou over, flat tops, mild cam, ported head, larger valves, extractors and a twin carb setup on an X2 manifold.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, 19 June 2008 6:05:53 PM(UTC)
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This is what Id do:

Either use your red block or get another red 202 (just has to be a rope rear main seal block);
Get a blue/black crank and rods;
Rebuild it including balancing to about 9.5:1 maximum compression;
Mild cam eg Crow 35666;
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#6 Posted : Thursday, 19 June 2008 6:05:53 PM(UTC)
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This is what I'd do:

Either use your red block or get another red 202 (just has to be a rope rear main seal block);
Get a blue/black crank and rods;
Rebuild it including balancing to about 9.5:1 maximum compression;
Mild cam eg Crow 35666;
Yella Te
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#7 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 2:17:30 AM(UTC)
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thanks for the help guys, i have lined up a black 202 complete motor that i might get then go from there. im sure ill be back with some more questions thanks again

Luke
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#8 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 2:35:58 AM(UTC)
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Just remember that if you use the black block youll have to (State dependant) make the engine comply with VK pollution ADRs. That is why you should turf the black block and use the crank and rods in a red block.

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#9 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 2:35:58 AM(UTC)
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Just remember that if you use the black block you'll have to (State dependant) make the engine comply with VK pollution ADR's. That is why you should turf the black block and use the crank and rods in a red block.

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#10 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 4:33:12 AM(UTC)
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ive heard that you can use a ford crank to increase the capacity to 235ci, can someone tell me more about this

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#11 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 4:54:14 AM(UTC)
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It can be done, with mods. I think to do with the crank bearings? Check Street Machine's website, it might be in KB's workshop. I'll trawl my back issues if i have time because i know it's been covered in there at some point.
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#12 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 4:54:14 AM(UTC)
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It can be done, with mods. I think to do with the crank bearings? Check Street Machines website, it might be in KBs workshop. Ill trawl my back issues if i have time because i know its been covered in there at some point.
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#13 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 6:31:51 AM(UTC)
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Only works on 186 and 179 blocks as they have smaller mains.

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#14 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 10:22:15 AM(UTC)
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you nead a ford 221 crank and 186 block to get 235
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#15 Posted : Friday, 20 June 2008 6:15:23 PM(UTC)
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Itd be cheaper to buy a Chev 250 or 292 cube straight six and bolt that in than to build a Holden stroker. It will still bolt up to an Aussie 3 or 4 speed with the right bellhousing or straight to a TH350 or TH400, bolts straight to Holden engine mounts u
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It'd be cheaper to buy a Chev 250 or 292 cube straight six and bolt that in than to build a Holden stroker. It will still bolt up to an Aussie 3 or 4 speed with the right bellhousing or straight to a TH350 or TH400, bolts straight to Holden engine mounts
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#17 Posted : Saturday, 21 June 2008 7:09:34 AM(UTC)
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byron, just a question, why have you said 9.5:1 compression max? are you worried about it detonating?


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#18 Posted : Saturday, 21 June 2008 7:13:16 AM(UTC)
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That's about the most you'll get a carby Holden 6 to run on today's fuel. Also allows a bit of margin if you can't get 98 octane. Remember what I suggested is a mild cam with little overlap and therefore compression will be fairly high.

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#19 Posted : Saturday, 21 June 2008 7:13:16 AM(UTC)
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Thats about the most youll get a carby Holden 6 to run on todays fuel. Also allows a bit of margin if you cant get 98 octane. Remember what I suggested is a mild cam with little overlap and therefore compression will be fairly high.

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#20 Posted : Saturday, 21 June 2008 12:39:17 PM(UTC)
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ive got the car on gas, so is there any thing that i would need to look out for to suit that sort of set up better?

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