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If you had a non gts 4 speed saginaw car in Hktg series would they run a console or just a rubber gearshift boot. Anyone have any pics? Cheers
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Depends upon the model. Some were console shift and some were floor shift. |
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Mines a hk non gts saginaw. No console mounts. What should it look like. Ive heard something about hr floor shift cars having the same boot. Never seen it and pics are hard to find
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A Monaro? M20, M21 or M22 in Monaro should be console shift, same as Kingswood sedan post Coupe release. Edited by user Saturday, 12 December 2015 9:43:14 AM(UTC)
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Here is what they look like for Ute and Van without the console: http://r.ebay.com/lEkuYI
The part number is 7430248, and there is a retainer to fix it to the floor. The gearshift lever is also longer, and a different part number to the console models.
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I think Coupe is implying it is a Monaro though, and all Monaro have the same floor hardware afaik, other than the shifter mount/hole and the pressing for the Saginaw shift rods. From memory the console or seat separator for column shift are screwed to the floor. |
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Could very well be. In the absence of an accurate question, an inaccurate answer should suffice.
There are a few possibilities. For example, if we are talking Saginaw only, 80337, Belmont Kingswood and Premier, van and ute have a different gearknob to GTS models with a console, as it has the shift pattern printed on it. (Normally on the console on GTS).
The gearshift lever comes in three sizes - one for GTS models, one for 80337 base Monaro, Belmont Kingswood and Premier, and one for Ute and Van. I believe the shortest is for GTS and other models with the console, the medium for models with the seat separator, and the longest for the Belmont Ute and Van per the picture, where the boot is different and fixed to the floor, with no lower seal or boot.
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You couldn't get a seat separator with floor shift, not normally anyway. This was the same right through to WB. IIRC Saginaw was console shift only unless in a commercial where it was floor shift. |
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I didn't think it would get so technical so i didn't get so technical in the question. I now have some reliable information suggesting you could get non console saginaw shift in sedan as well. Other then the above mentioned differences the gear shift lever is welded onto the opposite side of the the base plate with the two holes to mount to shifter mech. Rubber boot is now available too. Same as hr console floor shift. Car is a hk 307 monaro non gts was floor shift powerglide now muncie. Thanks for everyones information
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. Edited by user Saturday, 12 December 2015 8:37:26 PM(UTC)
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I almost certain it was impossible to get floor shift with XS6 or A50 (buckets) in a passenger vehicle after Monaro release, especially on a Kingswood level upwards (Monaro is the same level as Kingswood in HK). M11 console shift was mandatory with M20, M21 or M22 on passenger vehicles. Belmont is a bit cloudier as the sales brochures are confusing and at odds with order procedures, but sales brochures are poorly worded. Commercials are different where you could get buckets without automatically getting a console shift if the car was a 4spd. An M21 4spd HK commercial is virtually fictional though, hardly any made. Relatively lots of M22 examples though in 6cyl cars.
Your Monaro if originally a V8 auto standard is console shift unless D55 was specified which would give it a seat separator and column shift. |
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AFAIK, the non-console M21/M22 shift was commercial only. On the topic of the 3 different shift levers, I thought that there were only 2 different lengths & the reason for 3 part numbers was that the longer one was finished in either chrome or painted black. Maybe black for Belmont & chrome for Kingswood. I have seen several late HK with non-console M20 (Opel) floor shift. These all had the later style flat stick style lever, not the HR style. I have also seen one in an HT, it was a 6-cyl Belmont sedan. I seem to remember having this conversation previously, but there appears to be 3 different styles of non-console M20 shifters. The early ones were basically HR style with the small oval shaped boot. The 2nd style had the small alloy box as its boot (as in the sales brochure) & the 3rd type seems to be the most common, the one with the flat stick & the rectangular boot. Dr Terry Edited by user Sunday, 13 December 2015 8:40:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry  On the topic of the 3 different shift levers, I thought that there were only 2 different lengths & the reason for 3 part numbers was that the longer one was finished in either chrome or painted black. Maybe black for Belmont & chrome for Kingswood.
Dr Terry I'm not sure on this one. There is one for body styles 70 and 80, (ute and van), one for 837 and 1837 (V8 GTS), and one for 35, 337 and 69. I have so far assumed the first one to be the long black shift lever for floor mount, and the 837 and 1837 are obviously console, but what would the difference for the third, for base Monaro, sedan and wagon? The M20/Opel has a similar arrangement, with three listed shift levers - one for floor shift, one for 80737 6 Cylinder GTS, and one for the all other Console applications. I thought the same applied with the M21/M22, but I wonder why the two different shift types for console applications.
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Different size threads for the knobs I think between GTS and non-GTS. |
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Byron that makes sense. The knob is different, and it has a lock nut for non GTS models.
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