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#1 Posted : Monday, 18 July 2016 3:50:51 PM(UTC)
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hi Chaps

I'm located in WA, soon to put the tonner camper over the pits for rego and my mechanic has noted there is no charcoal canister yet the hoses for it are there, but plugged (don't say that slowly!) up. He's worried it might get a knock back. It's a stock standard 4.2 4 speed and a deep charge battery has been fitted where the canister would normally sit.

Reading previous posts, the canister wasn't fitted until 1/75.

1. Is there anything official from GMH literature somewhere that I can print off which points to the 1/75 fitment of the charcoal canister? A scan of said document would be more than appreciated so I can show the rego guys.

2. Is the one tonner considered a commercial vehicle which may/may not be exempt from the canister? It does have the PCV and breather hose connected to the air cleaner.

I know the canister wont affect performance, but I don't want to fit something which I don't need to, its just the presence of the hoses which has confused us! Any help greatly appreciated.

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#2 Posted : Monday, 18 July 2016 5:49:01 PM(UTC)
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1/75 is the introduction of canister, but it is more than the canister, it is the sealed fuel tank, fuel separator and vapour line to the canister plus the carby changes to one with a sealed fuel bowl. My 12/74 HJ Premier has the clips under the car for the vapour line, but it has no vapour line, has the vented fuel tank and no canister.

When you say it has "hose" do you mean on the engine or on the body?

I don't know if there is anywhere that will spell out what you want, it is just how they were made. The only place I've seen it even mentioned is in HJ Production Option Availability documents where option NA9 (Evaporative Emission Control System) was available on HJ until Jan 1 1975 (which tells you it was standard after Jan 1 1975). It also mentions it as a delete option K75 available on export orders only listed as effective from April 1975 vehicle production. However none of this will be want you want as it doesn't explicitly say it, which is normal for us GMH researchers where you have to infer facts from data that says it but not in the words you want. Often the truth is there but in a round about way, just like this is with NA9 available as an option until 1/1/75.

What might help you with the pits is parts catalogues, although the info is wrong. You will find some evidence in HJ parts catalogues, where it list 3 x different options for many fuel related components as some Pagewood HJ had trial ADR27A fitted, so you find say 3 x different carbies listed with margin notes that say:

"Without Evaporative & Exhaust Emission controls" (this is 1974 compliance HJ);
"With Evaporative Emissions Controls but without Exhaust Emission Controls. ADR27 (refer Safety Compliance Plate)" (this is HJ from 1/75);
"With Evaporative and Exhaust Emission Control - ADR27A (Refer Safety Compliance Plate)" (this is those trial ADR27A HJ's).

So whilst the above is wrong as the canister is not part of ADR27, it will help you as HJ commercial is different to a HJ passenger in that if you look at the ADR plate there is no ADR27, but the canister is not part of ADR27. So you could get a scan of the relevant page of the HJ parts catalogue and point to the text, and then point at your ADR plate where there is no 27 and say "look no ADR27 hence no canister required". It isn't correct but it may work. The bit that will probably do it for you is group 3.130 from the last HJ parts catalogue.

Edited by user Monday, 18 July 2016 5:52:56 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 19 July 2016 10:58:16 AM(UTC)
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cheers for the comprehensive answer! I had a look at a pic I'd taken of the compliance plate and there is no ADR27 stamped on it. It goes from 25 to 28. I'm not sure about the routing of the hoses, I might have to pop in to the mechanics to check it after work.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 19 July 2016 11:59:41 AM(UTC)
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I'm sure there is mention of the charcoal canister in the factory HJ workshop manual supplement.

They say that the "Evaporative Emission System" will be introduced into production during January 1975. I read that as meaning:- HQ & HJ prior to that date, do not get a canister fitted.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 19 July 2016 1:38:25 PM(UTC)
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Dr Terry is correct, it mentions EEC but is says "will be introduced in production before January 1975". It doesn't say how much before, which in my experience isn't correct either. It may have been introduced into production before January somewhere but I've never seen a 12/74 or earlier complianced HJ with a canister fitted in the assembly plants. Doesn't mean there aren't any though!

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