The VJ prefix 304 was available from Oct '86 onwards in all trim levels of VL, and was the same engine, regardless of trim level.
Brock modified cars that weren't a Group A had their regular VJ prefix engines modified (in my case, a HDT 5.6L stroker done on the original VJ block).
VL Group A had the VW prefix to differentiate them, likewise another prefix was used on the Walky EFI engine.
The chances of the Scheels being from the same car would be very slim, and from what you have described about the Scheels, I'd say zero.

As far as the VL HDT Scheels, none of the HDT cars got them with a hard plastic back. They were either vinyl on the rear, or cloth/vinyl, and any map pocket arrangement was the same material, but with an elastic top, to make a pouch. They were standard on the Group A, and optional on all other HDT models, commencing with Level 2 trim - which was Scheels in factory fabric, or L3, which was effectively the full leather/suede retrim.
VL Scheels have a larger headrest than VK - about another 30-40mm of foam on the front of the headrest, and the passenger side lost the release lever (for recline) that VKs had.
Also, many later VL "scheels" are actually a Peratus seat - a locally modified seat that looked like the Scheel, but the frame is the "industry seat" as used in the Camira from JE onwards, and the VL from 10/87 on.

VK Scheels are often found in the cerulean herringbone (like your pic) as this was standard on the SS, and Group A models. They can have vinyl or velour depending on the trim spec. Also available, but much rarer, are Scheels in other VK trim - mainly VK Director style, retrimmed in the factory pattern in either velour or leather to match, or leather in a different colour (the factory only offered leather in Coppertone in the VK).

Scheels were also available in numerous other models - as you are aware, with variations to the foam bolster shape, and marked variations in the headrests - such as the difference between the HDT ones and the Ford ESP/Escort OEM Scheels. The late 80s Ambulances (in NSW at least) also had 3 aftermarket Scheels fitted - very similar to the VL HDT type, in brown fabric & vinyl. Quite a few of these have popped up on eBay over the years claimed as Brock Scheels.....

The ones in the pic you have linked are trimmed in VK herringbone & cerulean velour + vinyl, and are the earlier VK type without the additional horizontal indents in the insert foams like the later VK ones had (these indents were dropped for VL, which had a seam a across the insert instead).

However, if the back of yours are like you describe, they aren't the same as VK ones - they've probably been retrimmed like that at some point, just like most of the Scheels that pop up for sale these days - starting life as something else. It's also not hard to bold Commodore (or WB) rails onto a Scheel, so that can easily explain how they "bolt in" (actually I'm pretty sure Commodore rails don't just bolt straight into a HQ-HZ, but Byron or someone else will correct me if I'm wrong).

Is there any way you can post a photo of your actual seats?

http://www.scheelaustral...com.au/accessories.html Why not email and ask Scheel as you've used the pic from their web site. The rails most likely will be from a hq-wb otherwise the seats will end up to close to the wheel unless you have a small wheel or your a skinny little shit commodore buckets don't work well in h series along with the fact you need to drill new mounting points thru the floor. Im that big a bloke vb-vk commodore seats weren't comfortable when I tried in my hz ute another time I took the commodore buckets out of a wb panelvan due to the owner wanting the original wheel back and no leg room under the wheel. If they fit nice and theres plenty of leg room under the wheel the rails must be hq? If the mounting points in the ute have been redrilled and there's not much leg room under the wheel they are probably vk .

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The Scheel seats do hold you well, and you do sit quite low in them compared to a regular VL Commodore seat.
As they age, they tend to sag a bit, sitting you even lower (there's a marked difference between my 280,000km driver's seat vs the passenger one in the stroker, but almost no difference between them in my low-km Group A).
This could be why they suit you so well - as they will be much lower than people expect a "commodore seat" to be.

VJ574xxx is the later part of '87, or even into '88. By the end of '86 they'd only made it up to VJ571xxx.
Both my VLs (11/86 & 1/87) are VJ571xxx prefixes, as are most VL Group As from 11/86.

The shape of the headrest & recliner knob look like VE SS or SS-V seats, with the plastic back simply trimmed in vinyl.

G Day all,

Any idea what these originally came out of?

Have just pulled them out of my 72 HQ Kingswood ute and there doesn't appear to be any drilling of new holes ect to facilitate fitment?

Scheel? Peratus?

Thanks Mick, much appreciated.