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#1 Posted : Thursday, 25 March 2021 11:17:49 PM(UTC)
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Still a while to go on my HQ ute rebuild but I was wondering what colour the steel rims should be. The available new ROH 14" rims are black. I will be putting hubcaps and (probably)trim rings on. I have seen photos with the hubcaps only where the rim is painted body colour. Is this how they left the factory or should they be silver?

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#2 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2021 8:22:28 AM(UTC)
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Is it a Kingswood, or a Belmont? The silver is Wheel Silver Metallic code 522-17216 (have seen it with a 526 paint line but I think 526 is a solid colour wheel paint line). There is another silver wheel paint listed called Silver Flash Metallic 522-11364. Not sure which was used when exactly though, but I'm pretty sure the early HQ silver is the Sliver Flash. There are some HQ's with body colour wheels as well, Kingswood from memory. If you get me the built month/year and colour I'll try and nail it further.
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#3 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2021 8:38:30 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, I've never fully understand the HQ Belmont/Kingswood wheel colour thing.

Many HQs, especially early ones seem to have body coloured wheels, while many are wheel silver.

Maybe it was one of those items which varied from factory to factory.

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#4 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2021 11:59:33 AM(UTC)
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Still a while to go on my HQ ute rebuild but I was wondering what colour the steel rims should be. The available new ROH 14" rims are black. I will be putting hubcaps and (probably)trim rings on. I have seen photos with the hubcaps only where the rim is painted body colour. Is this how they left the factory or should they be silver?


What colour is your ute.
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#5 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2021 12:13:32 PM(UTC)
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HQ Coupe Utility. Belmont. 6-73. Trim 1821-39A. Paint 568-13134. The car is white with a brown interior. I will probably change the paint colour but such details are still up in the air as I am first gathering and restoring parts. It will not be totally original as for example I will put the tri-gauge to rest as I have obtained the Statesman cluster with separate temperature and oil gauges as well as a clock. This will allow me to use a new silver fascia. There were some good HQ seats available but that fell through so I will probably use the HJ seats it came with or use Torana UC seats that I have, both options need to be recovered.
HK1837 you decoded the VIN for me previously. "..The original mechanical configuration was 173HC, M15 3spd manual and 3.55 rear axle with front drums. No mechanical options so no LSD, no discs, no aircon. The BODY plate should be blank in all 3 x locations (ENG, TRANS, RRAXLE)".

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#6 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2021 1:59:23 PM(UTC)
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Almost definitely 222-11364 (silver flash) for that car. It looks like it changed to wheel silver metallic in or after 8/73.

The U21 and Statesman type fasciae were black not silver. I think they may have been flat black painted over silver and the black wore off.

The biggest pain on a HQ commercial is getting retractable belts to work as there is no mount for the reel. It sits half way up the pillar and has a big steel panel that runs up inside the quarter that the not is welded to. HQ’s don’t have this.
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#7 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2021 2:06:21 PM(UTC)
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Thanks HK1837 and others. The retractable belts are an important point for me. Any pointers or references for this job. They are a must-have.
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#8 Posted : Friday, 26 March 2021 9:34:46 PM(UTC)
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You’ll have to Engineer it to do it right. I’ve seen people try and fit them down low but they aren’t right. Go look at any HJ to WB commercial and compare to yours and you’ll see what I mean. Even 1974 HJ that didn’t have the retractable belts have the mounting hole. If you can find a ute or van with the quarters off you’ll see the thick steel section I mean, it runs from where the retractable reel bolt on right back through the inner skin.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2021 11:01:44 AM(UTC)
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On the wheel silvers, the documentation is confusing. I think silver flash (originally 222-11364) is a solid colour, and it shouldn’t be a 522 refinish code like the Dulon books show but 526 like all the other solid wheel colours they list. Wheel silver metallic (originally 562-17216) is definitely metallic and the refinish code should be 522.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2021 11:40:55 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the detailed information. I will most likely go for the ROH wheels and repaint them. BCI make a much more expensive wheel in satin black or silver, 15” size. It is tempting to go plus 1 but it is something for me to think about as it will be one of the last parts to complete.
On a side note in regards to the instrument fascia, for those that have seen or used them, would you go silver or grey fish scale finish? I am thinking silver to brighten up the cabin.

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#11 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2021 12:05:21 PM(UTC)
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I’d go 15” for better choice of tyres. But I’d find some 15x6 Pontiac RallyeII. All HQ except cab-chassis were optional with 14x6 Pontiac rims (if not already standard like GTS, SS and Sandman).
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2021 3:24:40 PM(UTC)
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There are too many options now, HK1837! CTM sell a similar wheel in alloy that looks good in photos.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2021 4:14:28 PM(UTC)
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I bought these for my HK. Rare Spares Holden centre caps fit.

https://www.wheelvintiqu...series-chevy-ss-396.html

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#14 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2021 4:33:37 PM(UTC)
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Very nice. Would look good on an HQ. Good thing that I have time to consider my choices.

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#15 Posted : Friday, 10 December 2021 9:02:14 PM(UTC)
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Well my 5 cents worth, I would say use HQ Belmont optioned Rims, 6 inch/14s ( I believe these to be the same Rims used on all V8 HQ Belmont's) They are white on Belmont, Painted Car Colour on Kingswood's/Premiers, The wheels on a 6 cyl Belmont like yours are 5 inch and silver. Factory options within reason, support a utes class, like a Taxi cluster (triple gauge) and white 6 inch rims. When I judge your 400 point resto, I will know if you used HZ 6 inch rims, Statesman dash and the WRONG WRONG front seat, every one has an option and that's mine!!! and by 6 inch I do not mean Pontiac Rally IIs with JA stamped on them.

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That extra information is good, qutes, thanks.

It is unlikely that I will stay with the original white body colour as it is just too stark for me. I will have to look at it and like it. The HQs had a huge range of really interesting colours and I will choose one of those. Then, depending on that, as I have purchased new ROH 14 x 6 inch rims, I will either keep it simple and leave the wheels black, go for a body colour or silver respray, or, if I change my mind entirely, white rims following your suggestion.
I have purchased the extended Statesman cluster, which I like, along with a new silver instrument fascia. I can easily revert back to the tri-gauge and Belmont fascia, if I desire. I have also purchased the external stainless steel trim of earlier vehicles; I have found the trims for the upper door sills, gutters, vertical leading edges of the B-pillar and along the bottom sills beneath the doors. Not correct for a June 1973 build but I like those garnishes.

The vehicle will not be a show car. It will share cruising duties with my other vehicles. If it had the original engine block I would do a faithful restoration.
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You'd never do an original resto on that car anyway. It is just a Belmont ute, best modified which will cost you less, less stress and be worth more anyway in the end.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, 11 December 2021 11:43:46 AM(UTC)
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That is the thing HK1873, it was such a poverty pack that it is difficult to leave it at that level. I do not think that I could enjoy using it.
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Yes. If it was a Survivor and you were simply preserving it that is a different matter. But once they are not complete you might as well upgrade it a bit even if it’s as simple as factory upgrades like a 253 leaving the 3spd.
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HK1837 Quoted "You'd never do an original resto on that car anyway. It is just a Belmont ute, best modified which will cost you less, less stress and be worth more anyway in the end".

Now that takes the cake,,, did you really just post that, "JUST A BELMONT" So those guys with an HQ SS should hot it up, paint it pink its "JUST A BELMONT" and a Kingswood is just a Belmont with chrome and a GTS 350 4 Door is just a Belmont with a big donk and black outs, and in who's world is a slapped up banger worth more than an original built HQ, that might be true if it was a HK,T,G, those things only look any good painted matt black, with 20 inch home boy wheels, a ford 9 inch diff, an LS1 and a scooped up hood. AC owns the best looking, highest priced Holden in stock trim this country has ever seen, and by the way if it was a 2 seater with a floor shift, built between January an October 1974 and was a Belmont Ute, should I paint it pink add a 9inch and LS1 to it, I DONT THINK SO, and that rant is only my opinion, based on fact!!!

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