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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 3 August 2021 12:56:53 PM(UTC)
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Just touching on the subject lightly.

Did you know that the Covid Jab is not a Vaccine at all ?
No one could call such a thing a Vaccine at all in fact, so why do they claim it's a Vaccine then ?

D Trump says he was the main man who introduced the Covid Jab and all to get such so as to be approved in fact and that day of the media sound bite that they claimed Trump a fool for saying about a type of disinfectant etc type of thing ? is that he knew of the Covid Jab we have now before hand and was just trying to direct the people in that room towards such as this Jab crap. So the Media did not show us the whole subject that day, at first I thought they were just trying to project Trump as a idiot as best that they could try and make out with doctoring what he truly had to say, but now their is much more to this, that we the people have freedom to question the validity of the real subject that was truly being made. The Media is the greatest Whore of all.

Not to mention that he also had taken them preventive drugs before hand that he talked about ? and what of that stuff now ? that's another interesting point, that the establishment has tried to dismiss at all cost and they have said that their is only one answer, the Covid Jab and forget anything other than what the Government claims ? Trust you Government! right, like Hitler etc etc I could name peddled the same crap.

Well ok trust is a good thing but one has to have faith in such a one that they are truly worthy of that trust, I do not have a high opinion of any Government in history at all, nor do I of doctors sadly over all, as I did not come down in the last shower and I have seen to much total nonsense to have total faith in them.

I have to be carful as am naturally a trusting Soul myself and I like to have faith in people and such but I have been clearly burnt to many times in business to just openly take anyone's word regardless. so when I smell something is fishy I am mainly correct. when the warning bells in the back of your mind chime and I disregard such I end up kicking my self, why the hell did I not listen to such ? so I pay attention to such warning bells nowadays.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 3 August 2021 9:45:05 PM(UTC)
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hmmm...so, the definition of a vaccine?

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies in the body and provide immunity against one or several diseases
(so says my bro, the medical man.. he is a haematologist) and it can be ingested, injected or inhaled

the Spanish flu killed 50 million people as they had no vaccine, SARS-CoV-2 has killed just under 5 million people so far
(WHO figure) mainly as people were not (most are still not vaccinated) and is still highly infectious. Vaccinations that we
have are not 100% effective against SARS-COV-2 (aka Covid) but any of them does provide protection .. or lessens
the impact on the immune system by Covid if you are vaccinated.

Dunno what the dick Trump has to do with this.. but after one death of a co-worker and others who have visited ICU
(note- all were not vaccinated) I am getting vaccinated...




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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 3 August 2021 10:40:52 PM(UTC)
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I have my second dose tomorrow, first was 12 weeks ago.

I do not want to see anyone catch this without the extra protection of a vaccine, the ongoing effects are not pleasant in many cases even if you get over it by yourself. However once we get to near 80% vaccinated everything is going to open up again and the virus will be free to roam. Those that aren’t vaccinated are going to be cannon fodder, and will then realise they should have ignored the morons and listened to medical experts.

I’ve had the ‘flu bad once, joints lock up, can’t eat or even drink. Can’t get out of bed. Lost near 10kg. I’ve had the ‘flu shot every year now for probably 20 years. It’s about 60% effective, I’ve never had a bad ‘flu dose since, only minor symptoms. I expect we’ll be getting Covid vaccines every year with the seasonal ‘flu shot, it will be around for many years to come in some form.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 4 August 2021 10:22:08 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Smitty2 Go to Quoted Post
hmmm...so, the definition of a vaccine?

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies in the body and provide immunity against one or several diseases
(so says my bro, the medical man.. he is a haematologist) and it can be ingested, injected or inhaled

the Spanish flu killed 50 million people as they had no vaccine, SARS-CoV-2 has killed just under 5 million people so far
(WHO figure) mainly as people were not (most are still not vaccinated) and is still highly infectious. Vaccinations that we
have are not 100% effective against SARS-COV-2 (aka Covid) but any of them does provide protection .. or lessens
the impact on the immune system by Covid if you are vaccinated.

Dunno what the dick Trump has to do with this.. but after one death of a co-worker and others who have visited ICU
(note- all were not vaccinated) I am getting vaccinated...






Thanking you dear sir for your opinion. that's all I am looking for is peoples opinions on the subject.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 4 August 2021 11:29:23 AM(UTC)
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I have my second dose tomorrow, first was 12 weeks ago.

I do not want to see anyone catch this without the extra protection of a vaccine, the ongoing effects are not pleasant in many cases even if you get over it by yourself. However once we get to near 80% vaccinated everything is going to open up again and the virus will be free to roam. Those that aren’t vaccinated are going to be cannon fodder, and will then realise they should have ignored the morons and listened to medical experts.

I’ve had the ‘flu bad once, joints lock up, can’t eat or even drink. Can’t get out of bed. Lost near 10kg. I’ve had the ‘flu shot every year now for probably 20 years. It’s about 60% effective, I’ve never had a bad ‘flu dose since, only minor symptoms. I expect we’ll be getting Covid vaccines every year with the seasonal ‘flu shot, it will be around for many years to come in some form.


I listen to every point of view that I can.

I do have an opinion on the subject myself and I will not be getting the Jab come hell or high water, no one is going to inject me with a truly way out their radical experimental drug like such, if I was that stupid I would go up the road and take what ever the fool drug dealer would give me, I know the idiot well and I know that the cops let the bastard sell the crap, I am sure such idiots cut it down etc and do the Government truly care, no they clearly don't, this prick is selling for years going up and down the street selling 24/7 he is an informant.

My brother is a cop and he points out all the shit that the Government plays games with over the years and that they have to hide from the public record from the truth and every year all the BS just gets worse to the point of so much becoming a childish pathetic joke. so fact is it's becoming much like Nazi Germany only the working are different ball game at hand but the seeds are the same foundations all based on deceptions.

Freedom of speech is being undermined 24/7 cover ups are every were and the media is just like it was in Nazi Germany before the war and disregarding all opinions on so many matters, they claim that they will tell us how to think ? look at all the shit that the media and Government's spin, it's nothing but shit 24/7 they are a total disgrace and I have no faith in them at all. they aid and abet all the f heads degenerates and run about shafting our past history who built this Nation and you have buckleys of stating an opinion other than their view or they will come at such a one with total malice, not to mention such pricks take pride in works of malice. In my books anyone who champions malic is the lowest of the low.

I understand No wonder the Germans just followed along with Hitler regardless, well you were shot if you expressed another opinion anyway. But look at all the shallow clowns who claim all the Germans were all just cunts, but fact is that one should not let a government have too much power over the people, is the fact that one should understand.

Under Socialism all people become slaves to the Government, sure they hold out all the candy to get all the fools in but then when they get real power and dominate, then they Turn and they have a wonderful record of killing people in masses, not to mention who can stop such when everyone is all equal no body's without a voice.

Warning never trust a Government, because the fact is they are never honest regardless of what Party they are. sadly I have been a member and I have seen all the shit that goes on, as Robin would exclaim Well I stand rooted Batman !
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#6 Posted : Friday, 6 August 2021 7:50:25 AM(UTC)
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Yeah I am less than convinced about any of the information going around.
The actual virus seems less than a pandemic to me. Very few seem to actually die from it unless they have other underlying medical issues. The worlds death rate has not increased at all which leads you to wonder if all those who die, would more than likely have died from the flu anyway?
However, the worlds government seem to be reacting in a big way, so is there more to it? Is it actually able to mutate into something similar to previous world pandemics or are we just going through a practice run for when a truly deadly virus gets released?
I am thinking it’s more likely the last scenario. Call me a skeptic if you will, but it’s hard not to be.
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#7 Posted : Friday, 6 August 2021 9:29:24 AM(UTC)
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So it's all business as usual and nothing worse than the flue?
Have you not noticed other countries around the world having overrun hospitals, bodies stacked up in containers and running short of burial sites?
Has that been normal in previous years, or is something different happening now?

On the other hand that's all probably fake news reports by the lizard people so we can ignore it.


I'm getting vaccinated in case it's not the lizard people.
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#8 Posted : Friday, 6 August 2021 9:21:28 PM(UTC)
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Maybe studying history might help us avoid repeating it.

I can remember kids at school in the 1960s with the "polio limp", and friends in the 1970s with major disabilities as a result of polio.

There were major poliomyelitis outbreaks in Australia in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. There is currently evidence of recurring symptoms 40 and 50 years after initial infections.

As kids we all lined up for the Sabin vaccine without question, and in 2000 Australia was declared polio free.
Sabin started in 1966, and it took over 30 years to get rid of polio.

These things are a long game, and best to ignore the idiots and look at the historical precedents.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 1:30:10 PM(UTC)
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Maybe studying history might help us avoid repeating it.

I can remember kids at school in the 1960s with the "polio limp", and friends in the 1970s with major disabilities as a result of polio.

There were major poliomyelitis outbreaks in Australia in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. There is currently evidence of recurring symptoms 40 and 50 years after initial infections.

As kids we all lined up for the Sabin vaccine without question, and in 2000 Australia was declared polio free.
Sabin started in 1966, and it took over 30 years to get rid of polio.

These things are a long game, and best to ignore the idiots and look at the historical precedents.


Have you ever taken notice of deaths from the flu in countries in years before Covid? I doubt you ever gave it a thought because it wasn’t on the tv.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 2:25:07 PM(UTC)
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Maybe studying history might help us avoid repeating it.

I can remember kids at school in the 1960s with the "polio limp", and friends in the 1970s with major disabilities as a result of polio.

There were major poliomyelitis outbreaks in Australia in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. There is currently evidence of recurring symptoms 40 and 50 years after initial infections.

As kids we all lined up for the Sabin vaccine without question, and in 2000 Australia was declared polio free.
Sabin started in 1966, and it took over 30 years to get rid of polio.

These things are a long game, and best to ignore the idiots and look at the historical precedents.


Yes I live in a town of 800 people and there a couple of people crippled from polio. It was a terrible disease and the vaccine was a great thing.

I have nothing against vaccine that are needed and work.

It’s hard not to be skeptical of this Covid thing though. It’s just such a lot of hoopla when you consider that 0.25% of those tested actually have it. They don’t even know they have it! Polio on the other hand had obvious and serious symptoms that no one could miss. You can not compare the two in any way.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 2:37:12 PM(UTC)
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"Have you ever taken notice of deaths from the flu in countries in years before Covid?"

So if it's just the flu, or no worse, why are hospitals and cemeteries running out of space in some countries?
If that didn't happen 2 years ago with all the usual flu deaths, why is it happening now?
Perhaps covid?

Even if all the flu deaths were incorrectly classified as covid the total number of deaths wouldn't increase.

Florida for example, about 1500 hospital admissions daily. How long can a hospital cope with that load?

Just because here in Oz we're lucky to be an island and distanced from the worst of it, don"t kid yourself that it's not real.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 2:38:59 PM(UTC)
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Maybe studying history might help us avoid repeating it.

I can remember kids at school in the 1960s with the "polio limp", and friends in the 1970s with major disabilities as a result of polio.

There were major poliomyelitis outbreaks in Australia in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. There is currently evidence of recurring symptoms 40 and 50 years after initial infections.

As kids we all lined up for the Sabin vaccine without question, and in 2000 Australia was declared polio free.
Sabin started in 1966, and it took over 30 years to get rid of polio.

These things are a long game, and best to ignore the idiots and look at the historical precedents.


Have you ever taken notice of deaths from the flu in countries in years before Covid? I doubt you ever gave it a thought because it wasn’t on the tv.


Lot lower than it would be with Covid. Remember we are all apart, I don’t think Australia has had a death from the ‘flu since early last year during the same timeframe Covid has been around. If things went back to normal now we’d see 3 and 4 digits of deaths per day and an overwhelmed hospital system. The USA is seeing hundreds of deaths per day and they have a very high vaccination rate - a massive amount of deaths are across Texas and Florida, the States with low vaccination rates and moron Governors that won’t enforce masks, social distancing and actively discourage vaccination. If we opened up right now anyone unvaccinated is at high risk of at least having health issues for the rest of their life. If they don’t then someone else they care for most likely will. Getting vaccinated isn’t for you. It is for you AND everyone else. No different to defending the country if it’s invaded, there is personal risk, but a risk far lower than most things people do every day. Like driving on the road, getting on a plane, riding a motorcycle, taking aspirin, or for young people taking drugs. All of those present a far greater risk to your health than a vaccine ever could.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 3:56:15 PM(UTC)
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.25% of those tested are positive.

Why has no one had the flu lately?

World wide mortality rates quoted from a UN site (I’ll quote some figures because I can’t upload the chart). Numbers are deaths per 1000 people.

1950. 20.15
1960 16.87
1970 12.89
1980 10.46
1990. 9.32
2000. 8.64
2010. 7.89
2018. 7.54
2019. 7.57
2020. 7.61
2021. 7.64


Doesn’t look like too many extra people are dying to me?
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#14 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 4:08:46 PM(UTC)
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"Doesn't look like too many extra people dying to me"

Well I'd still like to know how some places have overun hospitals and cemeteries?
It wasn't the case before covid.
That seems to contadict your statistics.
Either its all fake news by the lizard people or its real and we're happy to ignore it in our local bubble?
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Clearly something isn’t adding up is it.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 5:27:56 PM(UTC)
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It all adds up if you ignore the made up rubbish coming off social media platforms. Thanks to Section 230 those big US based platforms are deemed not responsible for false information “published” by 3rd parties. If any of this anti-vac, anti-truth rubbish was published in mainstream media they’d be in hot water. Why do you think morons like Trump are so keen to not be banned from certain platforms? Idiots like that are allowed to mouth rubbish and get away with it plus the gullible demographic they need to be successful hangs around those platforms and believes it all as they are incapable of thinking for themselves.
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Yeah no doubt about that. However if you are questioning this whole thing doesn’t make you an anti-Vaxer or ignorant. A lot of what is in the media is claptrap and the majority take it in hook, line and sinker.
The death rate has not increased world wide and no one has had the flu for 2 years.
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What is in the mainstream media is simply them doing what they do, that is keeping you reading/watching. They are not allowed to publish lies though as they have to be accountable - you see the results sometimes in defamation cases, however they are regularly scrutinised by the likes of the ACCC. If you want to see Claptrap it’s all over social media.
All you have to do is watch a State Premier press conference. All they are trying to do is get a simple message across. Stay at home. Get vaccinated. And this is the way out. Then listen to the stupid and ignorant questions coming from some of the media. I couldn’t do the job of some of those like Gladys, Daniel or Anastasia- I’d want to knock some of those idiots in the Press out.

People aren’t dying from the flu for the same reason we haven’t had tens of thousands dead in Australia from Covid - people are in general staying apart and hand sanitising plus other Covid minimising efforts. With near to 1000 deaths in Australia from Covid and near 0 from the flu for the same period, go do the maths using 2019 flu deaths in Australia.

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That’s not correct. No one washed there hands and next to no one wears a mask correctly or even use a mask that works. If it was possible to control an airborne virus by isolated, most viruses would have been eliminated years ago.
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I just asked Mr Google "how are world mortality rates affected by covid?"

The gist of it is mortality has increased under covid.
Its complicated, but in general the figures are depressing and the outlook bleak.
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