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#1 Posted : Saturday, 22 December 2012 8:48:27 PM(UTC)
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Hi there,
I need as much information and advice on my HQ GTS 350 manual sedan as I possibly can get. I bought her 24 years ago without motor, gearbox, diff centre or hood.
VIN 8N69UCL231295Q.
She'll be put on a rotisserie and restored, worthy of being 1 in 54.
She has air-con, possibly dealer fitted but "Young's" have no records. Dash is ruined, console hump gone but cut-out there and other slight damage. The rest of interior is in good condition.
Her body is beautiful but will need a little nip and tuck here and there.
No stripes on her but she may have been repainted.
No stamps in ENG, TRANS, RRAXLE.
I really need to know her engine specs and see if I can track it down, same with Muncie and other questions to follow.

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#2 Posted : Saturday, 22 December 2012 9:24:38 PM(UTC)
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Also, is there a way to determine if a Monaro is a manual or auto from the codes and I.D plates?
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#3 Posted : Saturday, 22 December 2012 9:52:47 PM(UTC)
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Later cars had that info on the tags. see "RigPig"s question
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#4 Posted : Saturday, 22 December 2012 10:44:58 PM(UTC)
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Later cars had that info on the tags. see "RigPig"s question

Thanks "rimzimmer" no 9 on ADR plate.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, 22 December 2012 11:01:27 PM(UTC)
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PM me the ID details and i'll get them to Ben Stewart. He will be your best help with any other necessary info. Will need BODY plate data, build month and chassis number. You have already posted up the VIN. Lucky man, having possibly the rarest regular production Holden (manual XW8 Kingswood). Not many would be rarer, maybe auto HQ Sandman, can't think of too many others.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, 22 December 2012 11:04:13 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by HK1837
PM me the ID details and i'll get them to Ben Stewart. He will be your best help with any other necessary info. Will need BODY plate data, build month and chassis number. You have already posted up the VIN. Lucky man, having possibly the rarest regular production Holden (manual XW8 Kingswood). Not many would be rarer, maybe auto HQ Sandman, can't think of too many others.


Thanks Byron :) will get you those details soon, gotta work out how to PM :P
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#7 Posted : Sunday, 23 December 2012 12:27:09 AM(UTC)
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You can also send a letter to Holden or phone their customer serfivce helpline and they will be able to provide you with any information they have in their archives (HQ onwards..)


No, sorry "HGGTS" tried that, they called me back, said that she was a "Kingswood". Because she's an early build from the Elizabeth plant, there was some kind of confusion there and that they have no record of her.
You can imagine my despair at that time. GMH customer care then suggested I should contact someone who knows about Monaro's, maybe the "Monaro" club of WA or someone who knows about cars. They then asked me if I wanted to update my records with them??? I mean seriously. It would be nice to get that letter of authentication from them though
Thanks for your feedback, cheers
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#8 Posted : Sunday, 23 December 2012 12:51:11 AM(UTC)
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I agree, Holden are useless for this stuff. Technically it is actually a Kingswood though! All XV4 and XW8 were, they were not meant to be seen as one though! I passed on the info to Ben, will see what he has.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, 23 December 2012 1:01:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by HK1837
I agree, Holden are useless for this stuff. Technically it is actually a Kingswood though! All XV4 and XW8 were, they were not meant to be seen as one though! I passed on the info to Ben, will see what he has.

Thanks for that "HK1837" In certain aspects it's frustrating that Holden lacks some basic record keeping, but the absolute delight after discovering what "Tangie" is has still got me grinning.

May I ask, what do you mean by "XV4 and XW8"?
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#10 Posted : Sunday, 23 December 2012 3:17:20 AM(UTC)
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XV4 and XW8 were the special vehicle package options exercised on a HQ V8 Kingswood sedan to make respectively a GTS or GTS350 sedan. This is how most GMH performance or special cars were made. Other examples are XX7/XU3 (Sandman on Belmont/Holden or Kingswood), XV2 (HQ SS on HQ V8 Nelmont sedan), XU1 (on GTR), A9X (on LH/LX XU2 or on LX SS +L31). Plus many others like Ambulance, Taxi, Holiday/Vacationer, Deluxe etc etc. The only ones that were their own outright models were HK-HQ GTS327/350 coupes.
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#11 Posted : Monday, 24 December 2012 4:33:23 AM(UTC)
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XV4 and XW8 were the special vehicle package options exercised on a HQ V8 Kingswood sedan to make respectively a GTS or GTS350 sedan. This is how most GMH performance or special cars were made. Other examples are XX7/XU3 (Sandman on Belmont/Holden or Kingswood), XV2 (HQ SS on HQ V8 Nelmont sedan), XU1 (on GTR), A9X (on LH/LX XU2 or on LX SS +L31). Plus many others like Ambulance, Taxi, Holiday/Vacationer, Deluxe etc etc. The only ones that were their own outright models were HK-HQ GTS327/350 coupes.

Ahhh yes the 81837 with only 2 being built with air-con and a total of 206. A coupe is pure indulgence in driving. Sheer motoring enjoyment comes from a machine with two doors or two wheels, I love my harley but convenience has 4 doors and by far the best looking 4 door is the HQ sedan. Full stop. As far as a 2-door goes HK gotta be king and I will eventually get one. You, indeed are a lucky man as well.
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#12 Posted : Monday, 24 December 2012 5:33:14 PM(UTC)
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I'll seel my red GTS327 one day. Full resto project though but a good car.
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#13 Posted : Monday, 24 December 2012 10:13:40 PM(UTC)
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HK Monaro GTS first appearance at Bathurst, 1-2-3. LEGEND. Thems the brakes, probably would've taken more spots if all went well. Style, class and history.

HQ limited race history, but as far as performance, looks and practicality (sedan)= 70's Australian muscle-car awesomeness

Back to tech help were the Chev's all 2-bolt mains McKinnon blocks through-out the series? Large or small journals? Single or two piece main seal?

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, 25 December 2012 2:15:47 AM(UTC)
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Mixture of McKinnon and Tonnawanda. GMH assembled Chev trucks also had Flint engines. HT and HG GTS350 manual engines were 4 bolt and I think these were the only ones that were. Rest were two bolt (HK 307 & 327, HT-HG 350 auto, HQ 350 and '68 Impala & Parisienne 327). All were large journal and Gen 1 (2 piece rear main seal). The only other GMH badged vehicle with a Chev was the Suburban and these were Gen II 350's with 1 piece rear main.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, 25 December 2012 11:11:13 PM(UTC)
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Another XW8 that continues the 1816 Manual & 1854 Auto trend. nice good luck with the build, you have come to the right place for info and great advice.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, 26 December 2012 12:18:20 AM(UTC)
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Thank you for your welcome MrJ. I do feel privileged in having such a fine machine to restore and I do want to build her right. There are some essential components I am missing and the jury is still out whether she gets the concours treatment (Business Attire) or the enhanced performance treatment (Wonderfully Out On The Town)

Every bodies input will be highly valued and appreciated as it will give me a good base of opinions so I can make the right decisions.

PS I'm also a fan of acronyms
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#17 Posted : Monday, 31 December 2012 8:13:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally posted by GTS350-4play
Hi there,
I need as much information and advice on my HQ GTS 350 manual sedan as I possibly can get. I bought her 24 years ago without motor, gearbox, diff centre or hood.
VIN 8N69UCL231295Q.
She'll be put on a rotisserie and restored, worthy of being 1 in 54.
She has air-con, possibly dealer fitted but "Young's" have no records. Dash is ruined, console hump gone but cut-out there and other slight damage. The rest of interior is in good condition.
Her body is beautiful but will need a little nip and tuck here and there.
No stripes on her but she may have been repainted.
No stamps in ENG, TRANS, RRAXLE.
I really need to know her engine specs and see if I can track it down, same with Muncie and other questions to follow.


You have a very very rare car. This car was a factory built 350 manual with air conditioning. Certainly not done by any dealer. Officially they were not possible to order but if you knew the right bod anything was up for grabs. It sounds like the car had the usual raping by the hot-up crew long before you came across it. The 350, Muncie and special 350 manual diff are very sought after parts so it is no wonder they had departed company long ago. Shame shame shame.

Delete stripe option was not uncommon on these cars when new so the Lone O'Ranger stripes may have never been on this car. The Monaro guru will be able to give you the original engine number and more. Genuine 350 manual cars are few and far between these days. Nice to hear of another.
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#18 Posted : Monday, 31 December 2012 9:06:32 PM(UTC)
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You have a very very rare car. This car was a factory built 350 manual with air conditioning. Certainly not done by any dealer. Officially they were not possible to order but if you knew the right bod anything was up for grabs. It sounds like the car had the usual raping by the hot-up crew long before you came across it. The 350, Muncie and special 350 manual diff are very sought after parts so it is no wonder they had departed company long ago. Shame shame shame.

Delete stripe option was not uncommon on these cars when new so the Lone O'Ranger stripes may have never been on this car. The Monaro guru will be able to give you the original engine number and more. Genuine 350 manual cars are few and far between these days. Nice to hear of another.

Thank you "D. A. Barnes" Yes she is a beautiful piece of machinery but the biggest shame was the state they left her in. There is a lot of original bits that I have stored and preserved. Her body is in reasonable condition, rather straight, with only minor rust spots (not my fault)and the undercarriage is banged up a bit. Would have been nice to have a survivor.
Here's another oddity with her, Most Monaro's I've seen have a black engine bay, "Warrigal" black I believe, but "Tangie's" is grey, it doesn't look touched up. Would anyone be able to shed some light on that???
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#19 Posted : Thursday, 3 January 2013 5:35:16 AM(UTC)
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g'day all .. just joined and made an introduction elsewhere on the forum....

...all the best GTS350-4play and a question for the crew...

...MY 7/71 GTS350 coupe doesn't have the word ''Monaro'' on it anywhere and even the MPC doesn't refer to these 350's as ''Monaro's''....this little mystery has intrigued me in the 34 years i've owned her and having joined here, an answer may be forthcoming....cheers
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#20 Posted : Thursday, 3 January 2013 9:12:45 AM(UTC)
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G'day "detective" I'm intrigued as well hope all the right answers go your way. A couple of questions I have for you is, do you have a manual or auto? and is there an "81837" on your body I.D?
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