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#1021 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 2:17:20 AM(UTC)
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#1022 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 3:07:42 AM(UTC)
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I came to the conclusion many years ago that this particular page in the HZ parts catalogue is wrong.

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#1023 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 4:54:24 AM(UTC)
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Yes I have the same book. If you go into the parts book the blues are listed for the panals etc, This is a revision (there are 2- April79 on trim chart & Oct80 illustration index) So after this date these changes now apply. So that doesnt mean it was not avaiable befor hand. So guys what are the last Sandman porduction dates- ute & vans ???? I have a May 79 build van
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#1024 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 5:17:16 AM(UTC)
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Also looking at monaros sandman info, it states that HZ sandmans have a XU3 or XX7 on the id plate. Mine has nothing, that must depend on what plant they were made in?
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#1025 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 5:19:42 AM(UTC)
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Its in a revision though byron. Not the parts book itself..
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#1026 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 6:08:50 AM(UTC)
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Crowe, Brisbane plant was the only one that stamped the special package code on the BODY plate. Other 3 x Sandman assembly plants didnt. You couldnt order a Sandman ute after March 1979. Vans were deleted in October.

Jason that scan you put up is just a revision page for the HZ Parts Catalogue. And its not right. I think its the same as the HX info from memory. My guess is someone stuffed up.

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#1027 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 8:03:29 AM(UTC)
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well that would explain everything! =)
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#1028 Posted : Tuesday, 9 March 2010 11:55:10 PM(UTC)
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Got HZ sandman van home in shed. It is advertised in this months unique cars page 216. I want to return it to as close to original as possible .L32 high compression is this just a 253 with heads shaved more or is there a difference in the crank shaft. if there is a difference is one of the following engine no. better suited to L32.QR 846928 or QR887183. Also should I paint the van with 2 pack or acryic?
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#1029 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 12:37:41 AM(UTC)
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A high-compression 253 is the normal motor. The rare low-compression version just has deeper dished pistons.

All 253 & 308 heads are the same (model for model), there was no shaving.

On the topic of shaving V8 heads. its not that simple. If more than nominal amount is removed, the inlet manifold will also need machining just to fit it back on. On a straight 6 this is not an issue.

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#1030 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 1:40:53 AM(UTC)
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/H...ES_W0QQitemZ250593058266

How did you verify this as a genuine Sandman Byron? Is it the chassis number or something?
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#1031 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 3:38:42 AM(UTC)
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I dont remember it, but its in the register. I wouldnt have given 100% verification for it as there is nothing that 100% verifies it, but I do have a tyre placard recorded against it and in HZ the XX7 placard is unique to XX7. So with a combination of 1950kg GVW, 253 4spd and the correct tyre placard I would have told the owner Id be surprised if it wasnt. Especially if it has door switches and full length headlining. Put it this way, I record all XX7, XU3 and XU4 I find. I have getting close to 100 x HZ Sandmans recorded, and only 2 x HZ XU4. So while a derated GVW is not a Sandman guarantee its pretty close.

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#1032 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 3:52:02 AM(UTC)
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So in its current state with no tyre placard or body plate its just a rather expensive chassis with matching derated + 2 seater ID plates.
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#1033 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 4:21:32 AM(UTC)
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Basically yes. For me to record the tyre placard number the owner must have given it to me, so he/she probably has the glovebox. Its not worth $3,000 in my opinion, but someone might want a Windsor blue with 60V trim (that will be how I picked it - missed that before) 253 Sandman van. Ebay isnt the way to sell it though, as itll probably get pulled.

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#1034 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 4:33:25 AM(UTC)
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You need the body plate for colour and trim which is not included so no way to tell it is Windsor Blue with 60V trim or what running gear it had.
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#1035 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 5:42:43 AM(UTC)
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Ive got that info recorded for it, so whenever I got the info it was given to me along with the tyre placard number. Pretty strange that info isnt in the auction though?

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#1036 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 11:36:57 AM(UTC)
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bryon, when you record them,, do you have a comments column like "chassis and tags only March 2010"?

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#1037 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 5:08:06 PM(UTC)
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I asked the bloke about the 3rd tag. he now has a pic of it up. Wonder where the body is....
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#1038 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 5:25:54 PM(UTC)
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Adam, no I dont. I only record the info. The reason I started collecting ID was simply to solve some mysteries/trends that only a large chunk of ID can solve. It also helps to make sure that others cars have matching (or as close as I can figure) ID as referring to a database is the only was you can do this for HQ-HZ Dandenong vans and HJ-HZ Pagewood vans.

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#1039 Posted : Wednesday, 10 March 2010 11:13:22 PM(UTC)
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Byron youre doing the work that many have wished Holden did, by keeping and maintaining a historical record... Thank you!

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#1040 Posted : Thursday, 11 March 2010 3:17:18 AM(UTC)
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Your site is looking good too. Ill wait till I have written some more of the book before I comment as I am finding heaps more stuff as I go. Im also finding there are about 25 documents I need to chase down, and not just documents but revisions of documents.

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