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Were the 308/304 VA motors out of VKs any good?? Any advantages of one of these blocks compared to a earlier 308 motor?? Any help appreciated. Cheers Stephen Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. [email protected]http://gallery.oldholden.com/69HT_MUNRO/ |
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same stuff stevie boy
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The VA prefix motors were all 304 Autos, from 1985 only.
They are the same as any other stock blue/black 308 that preceded it.
However, there is an engine number breakpoint that I have listed down, where they scored the better rods as fitted to the VK SS.
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Sorry I meant any advantages over the earlier red blocks?? Theyre still the same pattern as late red V8s?? Cheers Stevie Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. [email protected]http://gallery.oldholden.com/69HT_MUNRO/ |
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Sorry I meant any advantages over the earlier red blocks??
Theyre still the same pattern as late red V8s??
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omg stevie, what did i tell you???????????????? "We wreck = KNOWLEDGE" lolololol
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Lol Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. [email protected]http://gallery.oldholden.com/69HT_MUNRO/ |
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The only difference is the crank over a red block (dropped to 304 due to racing restrictions?), they even have 308 stamped on them! I guess the only advantage is a black block might be slightly less shagged than a red block due to being slightly newer?!
Actually after reading your question again, are you trying to find out if they are all trimatic pattern or turbo pattern?
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Oh and dont forget the disadvantage which is people trying to hang s$%t on you for not running an original QT or HP block depending on what its going into!
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The 304 crank is simply a 308 one machined slightly offset. Youll find even EFI motors still have 308 on the crank, so to the naked eye, you wont know the difference. You need to measure the stroke, as the journals are still the same size too.
From 82 onwards, all VB-VL blue & black commodore 308/304 engines (VT, VA, VB, VC, VG, VJ, VW, VP) were trimatic pattern.
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hahaha, see steve, like i sez, aint stuff all difference, and monarosteve is right, just get some ear plugs when the dudes all hang snot on ya for having the wrong "clockdail" on the timimg case..LOLOL
i can just hear them now..."heys stevie, its the wrong block dude"
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Other problem is if you use a VK/VL block in an early car, in NSW it has to comply with the ADRs of the engine, hence canisters, EGR etc etc.
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All good the plan is to go in the HQ van or the VL so either way not fussed THanks for the help Cheers Stephen Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. [email protected]http://gallery.oldholden.com/69HT_MUNRO/ |
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Other problem is if you use a VK/VL block in an early car, in NSW it has to comply with the ADRs of the engine, hence canisters, EGR etc etc.
Interestingly there is an exception to this rule. If you purchase a VL/VL block brand new its simply a replacement part for your earlier block. Good luck finding a newie though. This is why new imported crate engines are popular because they are deemed a replacement part.
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Problem is you couldnt just buy a block, you could only by a block and piston kit and a complete long engine, both with engine numbers designed for a specific car hence you cannot get around it (same engine prefix except N5 instead of V eg N5A). Crate engines are a different matter and you are correct on those. Even today if you tried to use a secondhand N5A block in a HQ youre supposed to use the original target vehicles ADRs, although I doubt there is many people full stop that knows what all the prefixes mean let alone them inspecting your vehicle for rego. Normally its just recorded as an engine number and life goes on happily!
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All good the plan is to go in the HQ van or the VL so either way not fussed
Youll need a VJ, VW or VP prefix for the VL to satisfy (most of) the authorities - a lot of them wont let you put a pre-VL engine into a later commodore after the unleaded ADR came in, and its judged off the engine prefix. Cheers, Mick _______________________________________________________________ Judge a successful man not on how he treats his peers, but on how he treats those less fortunate. |
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A bit off topic but somewhat relevant, i was always of the understanding that if you fitted a later model motor into an older car, ie a VK motor into a HQ, that you must comply with the ADRs in regards to pollution gear of the VK motor. Seems it is not true, two friends have both had engineers approve builds which allow later model motors into older cars and only complying with the older vehicles ADRs...
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As I understood it from engineering two cars. The engine or vehicle, whichever is the newer. That is the ADRs you must follow. I have even been questioned on a HR 186 block in an EH because it was newer. But both being pre 1972 it was still within that eras ADRs http://www.ehlimo.com.au/ |
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That was my understanding too which is why i was so surprised. One car is a ZC fairlane which will be receiving a BA XR8 Boss motor and the other car is a 1953 Packard with a 351C. Should probably start up a new topic about this at some point.
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Not in NSW. Its the later of the engine or car that must apply. Middle of page 3 on the following link: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.a...ifications_nov_2007.pdf
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I agree NSW are supposed to be strict on it but my brother got away with bolting an XD 4.1 cross flow engine into his XY with no dramas at all. I asked him how he got away with it and he said that it was classified as a standard replacement engine not a conversion.
The same shop that passed his XD powered XY failed the rego test on my parents 1963 Zephyr for not having a pcv system. They then connected a piece of heater hose to the bottom of the hockey stick vent and shoved the other end into the air cleaner nozzle and passed the car.
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