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vintageholden Offline
#1 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 8:55:32 AM(UTC)
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can i redrill ford 114.3 rims to suit holden 120.....

i,m sure ive seen it done...
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#2 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 8:58:29 AM(UTC)
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No!

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#3 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 9:02:45 AM(UTC)
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cant i elongate the holes..
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#4 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 9:04:52 AM(UTC)
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No!

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#5 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 9:08:59 AM(UTC)
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#6 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 10:10:01 AM(UTC)
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yes you can.
weld up old holes and re drill separate new ones.
but the mags must have the wall thickness to do it.
- some cheviot hotwires cannot be re-drilled.

"multifit" is ok for a street car
elongated holes

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#7 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 12:09:15 PM(UTC)
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#8 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 4:19:58 PM(UTC)
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On a related note, I pulled a 9" out of a Torana recently. It had an original set of Ford 9" axles in it with 4.5" PCD. These have bigger neck wheel studs (the bit with the serrated edge that grib the axle). Some smart cookie had come up with the idea that by using specially machined studs that had the Ford neck on them but the GMH sized thread, that if the thread was machined offset relative to the centreline of the stud by exactly 1/8" you could do something very cool. By placing the stud with the centreline of the thread on the "top" of every hole (ie furthest from the centre of the axles flange) you got 4.75" PCD (ie HQ stud pattern). By turning all studs 180 degrees you got 4.25" PCD (FE-UC).

So point is if you could find who made these studs, buy some and drill GMH axles out to the same size stud hole as a Ford then you could turn GMH axles into Ford stud pattern and leave the wheels alone, and drill some drums to suit of course. To go back to the GMH pattern just replace the offset studs with standard Ford ones, use Ford wheel nuts and open the original GMH drum holes up a fraction to suit the bigger Ford studs.

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#9 Posted : Friday, 6 November 2009 11:03:48 PM(UTC)
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A mate of mine fitted Lambo wheels to a Toyota. He drilled the mounting holes on the wheels out but offset drilled them so that the holes had a new pcd of 114.3mm. no elongation.

He then machined up a set of nuts with extra large shanks to hold them on.




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#10 Posted : Saturday, 7 November 2009 1:51:19 AM(UTC)
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Vintageholden, an engineering shop can, you cant! Haha. Basically, if theres enough meat there and someone that knows what theyre doing, it can be done. Depends on the wheels and how it would handle the extra holes. Multi-fit wheels seem to do ok. Or you get it welded up and re-drilled.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 7 November 2009 2:14:28 AM(UTC)
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 7 November 2009 7:58:02 AM(UTC)
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What Byron says is good advice, Ive actually done this with stainless steel pipe flanges when the job required an imperial flange to mate up to a metric one. The difference was about 2.5mm from memory, which may not seem alot, and it would have been a simple thing to just use smaller diameter bolts to join the flanges, or drill the smaller PCD flange out larger. Instead the client wanted it mate up with no short cuts, or extra holes drilled, so the only thing I could think of doing was to make eccentric bolts in the lathe with a four jaw chuck and using over-size bolts and machining them down and cutting new threads on them. Pharmacuetical companies are very fussy.

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#13 Posted : Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:22:00 PM(UTC)
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Multifit wheels are not elongated holes. They have 2 sets of holes.

A manufactured wheel stud or a hole drilled into a billet wheel centre (or axle) is a set known quantity. An engineer can get consistent load ratings derived from consistent materials.

Once you weld a hole, change the heat treating of the wheel, or machine a stud, changing the original size, surface finish or heat treating etc, it becomes unknown. For this reason, wheel load bearing components such as wheel centres, studs, axles, stub axles, steering arms etc. have such stringent guidelines.

All of the methods mentioned will work. Just like 2 inches of bog to straighten a car panel will work. Does it mean it is right?

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#14 Posted : Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:43:19 PM(UTC)
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Peter is right.Just get stuff that fits!These are critical parts of a car,not like fitting a stereo!..Do it right or you will eventually pay for it.

Jim in Adelaide

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#15 Posted : Monday, 9 November 2009 12:43:19 AM(UTC)
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E....xactly Jim. No cutting of the corners.

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#16 Posted : Monday, 9 November 2009 1:29:03 AM(UTC)
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A mates HR wagon back wheel came off at 80kmph (only had 3 wheel nuts) flattened from the top of wheelarch to the bumper.Made a mess of the mag too.
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#17 Posted : Monday, 9 November 2009 2:29:35 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by peter_smol
Multifit wheels are not elongated holes. They have 2 sets of holes.

Not quite Peter.

Yes, many multi-fit wheel have 2 (or sometimes even more) sets of holes. But, Ive handled many sets of US made alloy wheels which have elongated holes & matching offset bushes. The stud patterns were 4.75" (Chev/Holden) & 4.5" (Ford/Chrysler). They was supposed to centralise on the centre spigot, but in some cases they did not.

Crappy idea they may be, but they were available back in the 70s. Whether they comply with any ADRs or RTA regulations is another matter entirely.

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#18 Posted : Monday, 9 November 2009 9:11:54 AM(UTC)
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IMHO the important thing is to have the hub the matching size, as this takes most of the weight, the wheel nuts just keep it there...

multifit is 10 holes per rim, i.e 4.5 and 4.75

multi-lug is 5 holes per rim, with an oval hole that takes 4.5 and 4.75 .

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#19 Posted : Tuesday, 10 November 2009 11:37:27 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by adam PERTH
IMHO the important thing is to have the hub the matching size, as this takes most of the weight, the wheel nuts just keep it there...



That is true most of the time however most Fords built around 1970 be they Falcon, Capri, Escort or MK2 Cortina had very short centre spigots on the rear axles. They located the brake drums ok but protruded no further so they let the rear studs do all of the work.


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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 11 November 2009 6:13:52 AM(UTC)
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If you have tapered nuts, then the load is not on the centre spigot of the axle or hub, the static weight load and dynamic loads including rotational shear and lateral loads are taken entirely on the studs. If you have straight edged nuts with a shoulder that only hold the wheel onto the hub, then a hub centre spigot is required to take the weight load.

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