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#1 Posted : Saturday, 20 March 2010 4:42:58 AM(UTC)
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Hello from the Top End!
I have searched this topic on this site and found some helpfull tips. Thought I would post this to confirm them and check on some others.
I have a 5L HT prem. with stroked 350 chev in front of the original powerglide with 3.55 gearset in the rear. It could do with some longer legs on the open road.
1. The powerglide crossmember will fit the 700 by moving it back a couple of holes?
2. Will the HT trans tunnel clear the 700 trans case without surgery?
3. The lock up converter can be controlled by a switch supplying 12V and ground to the TCC switch pins?
4. Will the existing SBC starter motor fit with the 700 housing?
5. Does the 700 use a vacuum line?
6. Will the lock up convertor use the same bolt holes in the flex plate at the powerglide?
7. TH700 bellhousing bolts up to SBC block pattern?

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#2 Posted : Saturday, 20 March 2010 5:10:25 AM(UTC)
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Powerglide crossmember should be very close for TH700. May just need new holes in the crossmember.

Tunnel may be close. Not 100% sure. TH350 fits. TH700R4 is slightly longer...

You need a "brain" to operate the torque converter, like an aftermarket B&M kit.

Starter should be fine

Not sure on the vac line on TH700. Others?

TH700 and TH400 use the same flex plate on a 308, so I assume itd do the same thing on a SBC. Just check Powerglide and TH400 with small converter are the same flex plate.

TH700 bolts straight to SBC/BBC.



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#3 Posted : Saturday, 20 March 2010 7:31:44 AM(UTC)
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Heres what i know from memory as i did it in 1995
1. I got another crossmember from CRS
2. I had to remove the support that runs along the hump to make mine fit.
3. I did, as i had a VN gearbox i used all the wires as it had a oil pressure switch inside the gearbox and hooked it up to ign.
5. No. It has a cable kickdown which (once adjusted correctly) worked very well.

I cant help with 4, 6 & 7
Hope this helps.


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#4 Posted : Saturday, 20 March 2010 7:21:14 PM(UTC)
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I did the conversion from TH350 to a TH700 out of a VN.
1. If Powerglide is same length as TH350, the TH700 is approximately 60mm longer in the rear mount location.
2. Trans tunnel may need massaging as Agro reckons. TH700 boxes are a tad bulckier at the rear.
3. The torque converter lockup is activated by 12v supply, as said above. The control of this can be achieved by an ECU, a manual switch that is overridden by activating the brake light circuit or by a pressure switch fitted to the trans. I have yet to fit the lockup switching system to mine, but will be using the pressure switching system. There is a limitation to the stall of 2500RPM if wanting to use the lock up capability. (that was the case 3 years ago)
4. Starter will fit.
5. No vacuum line.
6. As above, compare converters to be sure.
7. As above, will bolt up.

The small cable, like a kick down cable, is actually called a TV (throttle valve) cable. It will be part of the system that picks the change points of the auto & needs to be set up on the throttle crank of your carby to a very specific point. The cable connection point on the carby needs to be accurately positioned from the center pivot of the butterfly shaft & the outer cable then mounted within a specific range from the shaft as well. The outer cable is adjustable. Different positions giving the auto earlier or later shift points from memory. Google the TH700, there is a reasonable amount of info available for this set up. I might still have these details kicking around. Email if you need it.
Good auto. In my case with 3.5 gears & 265/50 x 15s, at 110kmh, my RPM was 3400 with the TH350. Now the TH700 allows the motor to sit around 2400. The torque converter lockup should reduce another 200RPM or so. Trip economy went from 15mpg to around 20-21mpg. City, not so much, still thrash it.
Found a link that may help with some info. http://www.transmissioncenter.net/

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#5 Posted : Saturday, 20 March 2010 8:06:00 PM(UTC)
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Thanks everyone for the responses to my post, sounds like the trans tunnel might be the only real issue at this stage. Ill get back with more info this when I know more.
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#6 Posted : Monday, 22 March 2010 8:06:25 AM(UTC)
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Mine had a 2.78 ratio with 265/50 x 14 tyres.
All i can tell you is that it went from Newcastle to Canberra on 3/4 of a tank with a/c on all the way, and i went through Sydney afternoon peak hour traffic on the way.
It was doing about 1800 rpm sitting on 110km/h.


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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 24 March 2010 9:19:57 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the info Agro. I reckon the 3.55 gears will sit me on about 2300 at 130KPH, NT speed limit. That puts my engine at a good rpm, with A/C on. It steps out sizably off the mark with the current glide, 1st/ 2nd will be real interesting with the 700!
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 14 September 2011 8:10:02 AM(UTC)
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It's taken a while, but have picked up a B&M TH700 to install. I hope to have a go at fitting it under the car this weekend, I'll then know what needs to be done with the floor brace etc to get enough clearance.
Anyone had a go at the same install recently? I think I read somewhere that someone just heated up the floor brace and tapped it in a little, wondering how much and whereabouts?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 14 September 2011 9:18:33 PM(UTC)
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Hi mate. I put a 700 in my hk 2 years ago. Just had to weld an angle on the cross mount and new holes. I had a 400 in it before. With the tunnel I cut about 100mm from the curve arch towards the front of the car. Then cut the curve arch ( left to right). Once cut gave it a hit up and tacked. Then sikaflexed it to make it smooth.

Also where the round governor is on the box, had to massage the tunnel a bit.

Hope this help, can ask if any of this doesn't make sense.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, 15 September 2011 1:52:32 AM(UTC)
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Then cut the curve arch ( left to right). Once cut gave it a hit up and tacked. Then sikaflexed it to make it smooth.


Nice !!

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#11 Posted : Thursday, 15 September 2011 5:25:14 PM(UTC)
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As Utility8 mentioned the TV cable pivot point is critical as the ratio of cable pull controls oil pressure and trans changes.
If this is wrong,you can fry the trans.
I think it was 29mm from the centre of the throttle shaft to the pivot point (measure off any VN,VP)
I by-passed the temp switch in the valve body so the lock-up converter works only in 4th gear with a switch powered up.(search in oldholden site)
Best mod i did to my HJ coupe and when locked it almost feels like a 5th gear and sits on 1850rpm @100kph with 3.08 diff.
It will spin the wheels no problems in first without even trying so your 3.55 will fry tyres.
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#12 Posted : Friday, 16 September 2011 8:21:44 AM(UTC)
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quote:
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Then cut the curve arch ( left to right). Once cut gave it a hit up and tacked. Then sikaflexed it to make it smooth.


Nice !!

Dr Terry


Do you think so ? Or dodgy ?
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#13 Posted : Friday, 16 September 2011 8:51:45 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by HK350_2233
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Terry
quote:
Originally posted by HK350_2233
Then cut the curve arch ( left to right). Once cut gave it a hit up and tacked. Then sikaflexed it to make it smooth.


Nice !!

Dr Terry


Do you think so ? Or dodgy ?

yes i believe sikaflex to be dodgey. roadworthy requirements have to be fully welded, not just tack welded & definitely not dodged up with glorified sillicon (sikaflex) or anything else
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#14 Posted : Friday, 16 September 2011 7:07:02 PM(UTC)
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I�m in the process of installing a T700 into a HK ute, but it has a HT Prem subframe fitted. We heated the trans tunnel brace and tapped it in, made it concave instead of convex, thus avoiding cutting & welding. (see pic below). To avoid rust problems happening after the heating process, we drilled a hole in the floor (from the inside) and sprayed a heap of fish oil into the cavity. Used a CRS rear crossmember and found a rear mount that was not quite as high as the other rear mounts that I�ve been collecting for a while. Haven�t done the final installation of the motor and box yet, but just about to. It fitted up nicely before paint, just hoping nothing has to be changed now that it�s painted.
For the lock up, I use a momentary rocker switch, a couple of relays, a Commodore Cruise Control Stop Light Switch and a Bezel style indicator light. Push the switch one way and the converter locks up and the light comes on. Push the switch the other way or touch the brakes and the converter unlocks and the light goes off. Also did a quick change to the wiring inside the T700 so that converter lockup can only happen in 4th gear. There�s info on the web about how to do this. Can supply you with my wiring diagram if you want.
Bob
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#15 Posted : Saturday, 17 September 2011 8:19:57 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by AMunro327
I�m in the process of installing a T700 into a HK ute, but it has a HT Prem subframe fitted. We heated the trans tunnel brace and tapped it in, made it concave instead of convex, thus avoiding cutting & welding. (see pic below). To avoid rust problems happening after the heating process, we drilled a hole in the floor (from the inside) and sprayed a heap of fish oil into the cavity. Used a CRS rear crossmember and found a rear mount that was not quite as high as the other rear mounts that I�ve been collecting for a while. Haven�t done the final installation of the motor and box yet, but just about to. It fitted up nicely before paint, just hoping nothing has to be changed now that it�s painted.
For the lock up, I use a momentary rocker switch, a couple of relays, a Commodore Cruise Control Stop Light Switch and a Bezel style indicator light. Push the switch one way and the converter locks up and the light comes on. Push the switch the other way or touch the brakes and the converter unlocks and the light goes off. Also did a quick change to the wiring inside the T700 so that converter lockup can only happen in 4th gear. There�s info on the web about how to do this. Can supply you with my wiring diagram if you want.
Bob



That's easy to do when you car is just a shell, can heat as much as you want. Ht prem might have the carpet and all the other stuff in that could burn. Correct me if I'm wrong but I would think you would have to take seats, console, carpet and underlay out to do some heating ?
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#16 Posted : Saturday, 17 September 2011 8:38:09 AM(UTC)
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That's easy to do when you car is just a shell, can heat as much as you want. Ht prem might have the carpet and all the other stuff in that could burn. Correct me if I'm wrong but I would think you would have to take seats, console, carpet and underlay out to do some heating ?
Oh dear!
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#17 Posted : Friday, 14 October 2011 8:16:02 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Bob for the info. I have done a very similar mod to the tunnel at the brace area, but without heating it, just some good old brute force and ignorance and a 4lb hammer with drift. (yes car is a runner complete with carpet etc.)I also sectioned out a small piece of the front face of the brace on the passenger side of the tunnelto cleat the square flange top bolt. All mig welded, No sikaflex here. Ha Ha!
The engine is very close to the same original position( HEI dissy just fits under the throttle linkage shaft on the fire wall.
I have used a 5mm spacer between the rear glide cross member and the outriggers, so it sits approx 5mm lower than original.
The geometry of the tail shaft from trans to diff looks good by eye (pretty straight). Does anyone have info on what sort of angle I can get away with on the universal joints of the tail shaft.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, 15 October 2011 5:59:06 AM(UTC)
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Next question is, what version T700 do you have and what are you doing about the speedo? Bearing in mind that I'm still building my car and have this bridge to cross yet ............ the T700 I have is a mechanical speedo type and I want to use a standard (mechanical) speedo. It looks like the speedo drive ratios are going to be out to buggery, but I've seen some correction factor devices for sale. For example, if the speedo reads 10% too high, install a minus 10% device. What's your situation?
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#19 Posted : Saturday, 15 October 2011 10:39:24 AM(UTC)
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I'm using a B&M TH700 R4. It has a cable drive for the speedo, I'm not sure what diff ratio the current speedo gear suits. I have a 3.55 diff centre in the car, considering that some cars that came with a TH700 as standard had final gearing around 3.25, it may not be that far off. I'll update this further after a road test, not too far away hopefully.
Replacement speedo gears are available for different ratios, PATC has them listed, try this reference chart- http://www.transmissionc...calibration_______va.htm
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#20 Posted : Saturday, 15 October 2011 7:25:01 PM(UTC)
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My understanding is the VN (V8) model of the TH700 is the preferred option. Needs no ECU to function & torque converter lockup is possible through a couple of methods.
I needed to sort out speedo error once all was up & running.
Easily done by either calculating the error & sorting out the correct gear mathematically or use the gear you have & get a ratio box made to compensate for the error.
A ratio box is about the size of a matchbox & simply connects inline between your speedo cable & trans.
The way mine was done was to travel an exact measured mile while a counter was connected to my speedo cable at the speedo head end.
EH's require 1000 revolution per mile. The difference between the counter reading & 1000 is the error. To compensate for the error, a set of small gears are selected & fitted into the ratio box to give the correct reading of 1000.
You will only get within a few percentage accuracy with speedo gear selection, but the ratio box can get it spot on.
Most competent auto instrument repairers should be able to point you in the right direction.
I used Ringwood Speedos in Melbourne.

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