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Yes, as far as the engine is concerned.
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Thanks Byron.
Is it the same deal with VG's? They seem to be around the same era too.
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Yes. The engine harnesses are pretty much the same, possibly a few differences but none that really matter.
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Cool thanks Byron.
Just opens up the search parameters a bit. Now i can look for a 304 5 speed in VN, VP, VG and VQ!
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Cool thanks Byron.
Just opens up the search parameters a bit. Now i can look for a 304 5 speed in VN, VP, VG and VQ!
Cheers.
Why not add VR/VS/VT 304 EFI V8s to the list, the only differences are the need to disable the VATS (immobiliser) in the memcal & the need for an electronic speedo. Everything else will require a similar amount of effort. Dr Terry _______________________________________ The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter. |
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Actually a bit less in some ways as a VR-VS ECU uses a 10 pulse per rev speed sensor straight into the ECU whereas a VN-VP/VG/VQ ECU needs a 2 pulse per rev signal. Late setup (VSIII sequential and VR on auto) has a much bigger ECU too.
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Cool.
Thanks Dr Terry and Byron. I was thinking the VRs on were sounding too complicated in terms of ECUs, but i would probably get a sparky to do those bits anyway. Is this all something any auto lecky could sort out quite easily?
And if so, are the VR, VS, VT 304 manuals all still a similar bolt in conversion which could use the VH power steering and air con bits and will sit on a VH trimatic crossmember with a bit of slotting? As per our original discussion?
Sorry to sound like a nuff nuff but I havent done this conversion before and want to make sure i buy the right donor mobile... Cheers.
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VR-VS with T5 manuals will, just avoid VT or VS with Getrag. I think from what Mick had said before, you are better off using a VN-VS K-frame and VN V6 rack.
You need someone with Memcal modification capability to remove the BCM input into the ECU of a VR onwards ECU. Pretty easy to do. Get the ppk constant modified to suit your tyre size and diff ratio while you are in there.
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Hi troops. Ive scored a VP K frame with the associated steering rack and shock towers. I thought it might be nice to use the VP bigger bakes but noticed they have an extra electric wire running to them that the VH doesnt. The whole stub axle also just seems a different design. VP WITH BIGGER BRAKES AND EXTRA WIRE   AND THIS IS MY VH SETUP.  So just wondering one, how I would keep the VH springs and shocks (cos they have been redone and I know the ride sits nice.. And ive never taken shocks/springs out before: Therefore = nuffy) And 2 what happens with the extra wire? How do I incorporate it into the VH stuff? Cheers.
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The wires are for ABS sensors, just remove them entirely, you won't need them.
BTW those struts & brakes are VR/VS, not VP. That means your x-member is probably VR/VS also & not want you need.
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The rotors won't fit your struts either as your rotors are integral with the hub. From memory the callipers should be a bolt on upgrade for your brakes.
I don't think that the VR VS strut tops are compatible with any VB-VP body shell either but that difference is blatantly obvious.
Mick should be able to tell you whether you can make it all fit using the VK strut tops on the VR/VS struts.
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Bugger. I thought it looked a bit strange. Thought it was VP but must be VR. I picked it up for 50 bux so no big deal, but can i just use the K frame then with my VH stub axles?
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As long as it's a V8 K-frame you can use it (it will be obvious - the V8 mounts are like your existing VH ones, where the V6 ones are totally different).
You can also buy some VL-VP V8 front brake rotors (also used on VL turbo, VQ stato, and all VP series 2, including V6) and this will allow you to use those finned calipers - which bolt up to the VH stubs - giving you slightly bigger front brakes (289mm vs the VH's 271mm).
There's no easy (nor legal) way to run VR struts in a VB-VP body, so just keep the K-frame & rotors. You can get good money for the hubs if they aren't stuffed - replacement VR/VS ABS hubs are expensive, so good 2nd hand ones fetch a few $$ on ebay & the like.
The rack, control arms, radius rods & sway bar are also no good to you.
$50 is good going for a VL-VS V8 crossmember though - the rest is a bonus!
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Hi Mick.
Thanks for the info!
So will my existing VH control arms, radius rods stub axles etc all bolt to the VR K frame?
THEN, will I need to use another model steering rack? Such as VP etc.
Im looking at a complete VN factory 5 speed v8 this weekend. Easier just to grab the whole shebang out of that? And get rid of the VR front end? My only concern is trying to sell the car minus eng etc when its not a roller.... Bit of a pain in de-arse....?
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Sorry also my other question was:
Will the manual pedal box setup from a VN bolt straight into a VH? (Factory auto)
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From memory the VN pedal box is welded into the car so I doubt it however the pedals may fit your pedal box with mods.
Put your VH front end in that and it would be a roller. Just keep the best bits for your car and place the rest on the wreck.
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Cheers Jim.
Welded? Bugga. was hoping itd be a bolt in bolt out jobby...
The more I look into this the harder it gets! Also I was having a look at Micks write up on his site and wondering about air con etc? Will I have to swap all the pozies of the alternator, air con and p/steer if going from a carby 308 to a VN 304? it looks like I will but just double checking.. I dont know if the VN 304 is a 'carby style manifold'/throttle body or 'standard EFI manifold'..?
Its all just hoses though I guess if I have to relocate bits....
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The more I look into this the harder it gets! Also I was having a look at Micks write up on his site and wondering about air con etc? Will I have to swap all the pozies of the alternator, air con and p/steer if going from a carby 308 to a VN 304? it looks like I will but just double checking.. I dont know if the VN 304 is a 'carby style manifold'/throttle body or 'standard EFI manifold'..?
I think it is easier to retain all of the VN/VP V8 accessories including the complete engine harness. You will need to get 2 new a/cond hoses made. If you use a VN p/steer rack & crossmember, then the VN V8 pump & hoses will all fit. If it was my conversion, I would keep the TH700, it will drive so well. But that is just personal preference. Dr Terry _________________________________________ When calculating a car restoration budget, be as accurate as you can & then double the final figure. It will be closer to the truth. |
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Thanks Dr Terry.
Currently has a turbo 350 but really wanna go manual.
Been looking on the commodore forums but can anyone confirm for me my manual pedal box options? Some are cable some are clutch, some say the VN is welded in.. Others say it isnt but it doesnt fit... Have also heard that the VH manual V6 and V8 ones are different.. can anyone tell me what pedal box setup I need to get for the T5?
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Pedal box has to come from a V8 VB-VK only. None of the other later ones fit, even though they may look similar. There is a difference between 6 & V8 pedal boxes - don't get caught with the wrong type. See the difference in the pic below:  Cheers, Mick _______________________________________________________________ Judge a successful man not on how he treats his peers, but on how he treats those less fortunate. |
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