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#1 Posted : Friday, 28 May 2010 6:05:34 AM(UTC)
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Hi guys,just wanting to know the differences between hg & hq ute banjo diffs. What parts are interchangable ( centre, backing plates ext ? ) Cheers John.
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#2 Posted : Friday, 28 May 2010 6:20:57 AM(UTC)
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Centre, backing plates and drums (bar the stud pattern).

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#3 Posted : Friday, 28 May 2010 6:28:42 AM(UTC)
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do they both have the same spines on the axles and are the parts interchangable with a hk v8 diff
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#4 Posted : Friday, 28 May 2010 6:33:40 AM(UTC)
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Yes, if original. HQ banjo will have small yoke though. Fine spline didn't arrive until mid LJ XU-1.

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#5 Posted : Friday, 28 May 2010 6:43:49 AM(UTC)
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Utes sitting on the ground( no wheels )in the scrub, just wanted to check before going to the trouble of removing them. Fingers crossed that the hg might be LSD. Thanks HK.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, 29 May 2010 2:54:57 AM(UTC)
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Hi,
Don't know what you are on about as I have never seen a banjo diff with a rear plate, they never had them.

Edit ( I agree the centre & back plates )
( V8 HG - T banjos had a larger yoke, so the tailshaft or yoke would need to changed to match )
Perhaps there is information elsewhere on this site but here goes;
Banjo diffs of the same ratio are interchangable between models subject to axle splines, however the housings do change to accomadate the different gear set sizes.
for example 3.9- 3.55 - and 3.36 use the same centre housing and crownwheel mounting assembly, obviously you will need to use the appropiate splined side gears to suit which ever axles you use.

3.08 and 2.78 housings are both the same centre and crownwheel assembly.

The small Salsbury Commodore diff gears also fit the Banjo, if you use the right bearings too, but you need to use the Banjo housings.

The first Holdens to be fitted with fine spline axles were the 1973 LJ XU-1's but a previous comment was a bit off as this wasn't mid 73 it was August 73 and to be specific my XU-1 is the earliest I know of in Australia so far, built on the 16th of August.
At the risk of being corrected myself it was during the HX Holdens that fine spline banjos were intorduced on a large scale.

Hope that answers your question, Mike

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#7 Posted : Saturday, 29 May 2010 3:07:26 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike81973
Hi,
Don't know what you are on about as I have never seen a banjo diff with a rear plate, they never had them.


I think they are referring to the brake backing plates at the end of the axle housing, not a rear cover plate.
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3.08 and 2.78 housings are both the same centre and crownwheel assembly.

The 3.08 & 2.78 use the same housing & carrier (or hemisphere) but their crownwheels are very different, as are their pinion gears.

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#8 Posted : Saturday, 29 May 2010 3:26:30 AM(UTC)
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Mike is correct re the fine splines first appearing around August 1973. I was just being very general as it wasn't really relevant to the question, just pointing out that HQ and HG won't be fine spline unless changed. Fine spline axles also appeared in LH around L34 introduction on both L34 and SLR5000. Not sure if 253 LH also got them at that time. HX/LX era is correct for fine spline axles appearing everywhere else.

As Mike says V8 HT-HG banjo had a bigger front yoke. HK V8 banjo had this also, as did ALL HK 6cyl 3.08 banjo centres (this is why HK 6cyl with 3.08 banjo had unique tailshafts). You have a very good chance of finding an LSD in a HK V8 banjo, but much less chance in HT-HG.

Dr Terry is correct, I was referring to the drum brake backing plates.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, 29 May 2010 3:53:57 AM(UTC)
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More great info, thanks guys. Have to agree with you mike, havn't come across a banjo with centre plate in 35 years of owning holdens LOL
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