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1st Holden HK HT HG Nationals 2011
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#21 Posted : Monday, 20 September 2010 4:33:24 AM(UTC)
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We are all just mad on these cars Simon, so either way... Get it to happen please. You have all our blessings and support mate.
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#22 Posted : Monday, 20 September 2010 7:17:29 AM(UTC)
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DA, MMP and We Wreck have all hit the nail on the proverbial.

People's Choice makes great sense, participants enjoying the fact its no pressure and enjoying and sharing their cars and their stories. Oh yes, and far less pressure on the organising committee too. Definitely worth marking in down in the diary.

Go for it fellas.
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#23 Posted : Monday, 20 September 2010 4:16:35 PM(UTC)
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Looks like most do not want judging, so best to call it a display day rather than a show and shine.

That makes it real easy, just find a park etc that can hold around 30 to 50 cars. Gold coin to park your HK to HG in the park on the day and free to public. (that way no poeple involved other than opening the park, lots of public parks that will hold that many)

For teh evening, try someothing like the meet and greet night at the RSL, I am sure plenty of clubs will supply a function room if you bring 60 - 150 peope to them.

Then organise a cruise in the area.

Loxton wanted the Monaros back so they might even help if you go back to that area.

Remeber the amount of people you need to help on the day. If you keep it real simple like above you need very few to help. Plus cost is almost nothing for the entrants. (most of the entry money goes to the public liability, judges etc.)

Most of the nationals that I have been to outside the Monaro nationals, are small event, few public but plenty of enthusiastic car owners.

If you need anything from me to help get it under way let me know.

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#24 Posted : Monday, 20 September 2010 7:56:14 PM(UTC)
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Adopt the EJ/EH model of an All State Run - plenty to do, inc show n' shine (peer judged), driving events (not drags)

Thurs - casual BBQ for early arrivals

Fri - Scrutinize then car rally / observation run - casual meet and greet dinner/ cocktail party

Sat - Show and shine, then casual dinner

Sun - driving events - motorcana style

Mon - Cruise then goodbye BBQ lunch

If you want to see how it has been done successfully over the last 30 years, then hit Canberra next Easter

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, 21 September 2010 2:25:53 AM(UTC)
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65ehpv...as a first event it needs to crawl before it can walk..summernats is not something that a car show of one model and few years should be compared to..
take a bit from some of the succesful shows around australia and blend it..have a look at how toranafest is put on by the hunter valley torana club to start with..just google toranafest.

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#26 Posted : Tuesday, 21 September 2010 10:33:39 PM(UTC)
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I hate to say this but you are incorrect.

The next EH All State Run is in Canberra next Easter 2011. I think the smoke has coloured your glasses from Summernats.

cheers

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#27 Posted : Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:34:44 AM(UTC)
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Ahh, I wondered where he got the sumernats connection from.
Yeah the EJ/EH ASR is a casual event with a few guidelines. Probalbly not what pretentious Holden coupe owners want

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#28 Posted : Wednesday, 22 September 2010 6:29:29 AM(UTC)
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Why even bother about judging at all if it is be a casual event. Peer judging has plenty of problems, especially when states are involved.

There have been nationals that relied on entrant peer judging and it has been noticed that the host state wins most trophies. ( I think full analysis would show that the re is little basis, but human nature is a wonderful thing). The first to introduce indpendant impartial proffessional judging, that I am aware of, at a nationals was not the pretentious coupe owners but the FE/FC nationals. This was the first Monaro nationals that used professin ASMF judges for modified and a Monaro experts group for non modified cars.

The FE/FC clubs made this part of their charter and was first introduced at the Gold Coast nationals in I think 2004. The rules dictate independant judges to ensure that some of the comments made about the judging at the Monaro nationals could not be made.

Might be best not to have any judging at the first event, then see what people want after that. You will need something for pople to travel interstate for a show and shine and a cruise.

If I think if anything, or anyone else for that mater, let Simon know. It would be great for the rest of the HK to HG range to have some event.

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#29 Posted : Wednesday, 22 September 2010 2:55:41 PM(UTC)
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[quote]Originally posted by 65ehpv
Ahh, I wondered where he got the sumernats connection from.
Yeah the EJ/EH ASR is a casual event with a few guidelines. Probalbly not what pretentious Holden coupe owners want

Carpe Diem
It's so easy to become pretentious though when you own a HKTG.
compare for instance the amount of changes to the options lists from the years prior. Even the Holden dealerships experienced massive changes to their marketing strategies. HKTG series of cars were a whole new world, women in catsuits, people from outer space etc.
Holden all of a sudden dared to think big, and I think a lot of this has been passed through time to the current custodians of these vehicles. I think in the future we might see more of the marketing surrounding a car at a show, than the car itself. Take Nick's HK for instance, full of marketing and excitement. Every where you looked was a celebration of this fantastic new car. Imagine if Paul Kelly had a woman dressed in a catsuit crawling all around his Warwick yellow HK GTS. I know none of this seems like it has anything to do with Simon trying to organise an event, but marketing,timing and thinking big can work. We all must realise though that one mans dream takes a team to fulfill. I think the timing is right, the rest comes down to getting the right people in the right areas, networking towards a common goal. Perhaps have a judged cars section? Have multiple categories so a broader section of owners are placed in a section/category they are most comfortable with.
Just don't fall into the trap of thinking small, as this is a category most pretentious HKTG owners probably would'nt feel a part of or identify with. If this is done right, the Monaro nationals could well become just a stepping stone toward something much larger and appeal to a much broader spectrum of the community. Which means more takings at the gate so better funded, put back into better family orientated entertainment. Speaking of men in space suits, has anyone asked the Wiggles if they would like to donate some time toward a community project? Hehe, they do have a big red car.
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#30 Posted : Wednesday, 22 September 2010 6:10:08 PM(UTC)
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people from outer space etc.

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ya got that right.
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, 22 September 2010 6:18:24 PM(UTC)
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Talking of the wiggles

Wake up Jeeeeeffff !

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#32 Posted : Wednesday, 22 September 2010 6:50:25 PM(UTC)
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Frank was going to be wearing the catsuit and crawling over Kellys car but the zipper got caught in his back hair when he was putting it on and he had to be rushed to hospital.
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#33 Posted : Wednesday, 22 September 2010 7:44:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally posted by tranx
Greg

I hate to say this but you are incorrect.

The next EH All State Run is in Canberra next Easter 2011. I think the smoke has coloured your glasses from Summernats.

cheers

Sean

sean..i have never been to summernats and have no desire to ever go...
you missed my whole point..

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#34 Posted : Thursday, 23 September 2010 3:08:06 AM(UTC)
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Simon,
Firstly - Good for you mate ... give it a go .
Secondly - keep it simple for the first one.
Saturday - Show and Shine,
Sunday - Cruise to somewhere interesting so they can all experience a convoy of class vehicles stretching into the distance ... they'll love it.

This was how we started the HD HR Nats and it is very popular.

I see your biggest challenge being the lack of HKTG dedicated Clubs to take it on from year to year but hey, maybe it will inspire Clubs to be created !

You will be doing good either way because you will be doing SOMETHING rather than letting nothing happen.

All the best with it ...

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#35 Posted : Saturday, 9 October 2010 8:03:02 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Gary and Warren and everyone else for the great input. Definitely something to chew on for a while. First thing to do would be find a location here in SA to start with. Then maybe look interstate for future events.

I'll get my head down over the next few weeks and see what I come up with.
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#36 Posted : Sunday, 10 October 2010 5:23:47 AM(UTC)
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keep it in 1 spot, all the same, every year, same bat time, same bat chanel, same EVERYTHING, no judging, just a peoples choice, easier, smarter, more fun and less e-aggro later from keyboard experts armed with a book and passwords from forums complaining about vinyl colors and shades and engine bay paint runs.

bright rod run is coming up in a few weeks, do yourself a favour simon and study how it was started, how its grown and how easy it runs, started by ray mcdonald and his club to ENJOY their cars.
not one bit of negativity there, just adoration of each others cars.
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#37 Posted : Sunday, 10 October 2010 5:30:03 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Gary and Warren and everyone else for the great input. Definitely something to chew on for a while. First thing to do would be find a location here in SA to start with. Then maybe look interstate for future events.

I'll get my head down over the next few weeks and see what I come up with.
Do you have any idea on the logistics? To turn around and try and discredit people that are trying to help you with this is like a batter getting stuck on first base. After nearly a month of the topic being put out there by yourself all you can tell me is you'll put your head down and think about it for another few weeks??
And chew on it some more??
Your fifteen minutes of fame is up!. You either get with the programme here or you will be stuck with a few diehard supporters not there for the general cause, but your own individual pursuit. As I'm going to tell you and everyone here that this event should and must be run by a non-profit organisation that only have one goal and that's to take good care of its members/participants, the greater community, have a lot of fun and not be stuck wallowing in some pondage filled with character debates. This is about communicating to a broad and varied sector of the community in an easily approachable and diplomatic manner.
I strongly urge you therefore to change your stance, sit back and watch your idea grow WITH you included.
It's easy, forward your letter of nomination to HK,HT,HG owners drivers club of Australia. And be a part of the best team assembled to tackle all the logistics of your vision.
Best regards,your friend Erik...
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#38 Posted : Monday, 11 October 2010 9:12:07 AM(UTC)
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Sorry Erik, sounds like a bit of a hatchet job. I don't think it's fair to say to HKTG Recovery that their time is up and to get with the programme, these things take time.

I wouldn't be surprised if he finds it a bit galling to be told to "forward a letter of nomination" to someone else for his own idea/event. Also that stuff you posted on oldholden about public liability? How can you get PL insurance when a venue hasn't been fixed? Do you have it?

Also on the same theme where you have said on oldholden "you should contact Dave smith, President of the HK,HT,HG owners drivers club of Australia P/L" and here with "be a part of the best team assembled to tackle all the logistics" this all sounds like a really bad hatchet job, considering that this entity was registered with ASIC three days ago

http://www.search.asic.g...s=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Like I said, if I had an idea for an event and 3 weeks later somebody hijacked my idea and "invited" me to "submit my ideas" to a 3 day old newly formed "committee", I think I would rightfully feel a little pissed off.

I think in the interests of fairness you should allow the instigator to at least have a go to get the idea off the ground. I think it makes you look bad with the impression you create with your posts about the HKHTHG ODCA as if it is a well-established and experienced organization when in fact it was registered with ASIC on 7 October
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#39 Posted : Monday, 11 October 2010 9:52:05 AM(UTC)
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Also, regarding this

"And be a part of the best team assembled "

Can you let us know who the members of this team are please
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#40 Posted : Monday, 11 October 2010 10:34:33 AM(UTC)
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As I'm going to tell you and everyone here that this event should and must be run by a non-profit organisation...
forward your letter of nomination to HK,HT,HG owners drivers club of Australia.


Hi Erik, more questions for you.

You have only announced the existence of the HK HT HG Owners Drivers Club of Australia P/L (heretofore known as HKHTHG ODCA) here in passing, with no formal announcement, so I would like to ask some questions.

In light of your above statement that this event should be run by a NFP Organisation and then asking for nominations to HKHTHG ODCA, can you confirm that HKHTHG ODCA is a NFP, and if so, why is it registered with ASIC as a Company rather than an Incorporated Association?

From your other posts on oldholden - vis a vis

"Is HKTG parts recovery an association?"
"Have you ever personally been a part of an association?"
"contact Dave smith, President of the HK,HT,HG owners drivers club of Australia P/L and nominating yourself to be an integral part of that commitee in an association whose.."

and above, you do appear to suggest that HKHTHG ODCA is a NFP association, yet the company structure appears to conflict with this information.

Can you please confirm the company structure and if indeed NFP disclose any relevant information required by ASIC to be made publically available. If this is not a NFP organisation, can you please clarify, as (apparently) claiming to be NFP when trading as a company may see you in breach of various ASIC regulations and Commonwealth Law.

Thanks, warmest regards, etc.
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