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#1 Posted : Wednesday, 20 October 2010 7:36:13 AM(UTC)
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Do we know what sort of numbers made between HQ,HJ and HX coupes to ford XA,XB and XC hardtops. And what would be a estimate of cars still around? maybe 50%.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 20 October 2010 5:49:57 PM(UTC)
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This is what I found out 5 years ago.
Model Number produced Model life in months Sales per month average Rest of range sales per month average

GMH Monaro coupe

HK 15637 11 1422/month 10800
HT 14437 12 1203/month 12997
HG 6147 12 512/month 12470
HQ 13782 39 382/month 12100
HJ 943 21 45/month 8345
HX 580 13 45/month 8468

HK to HG average 1029/month (12098)

HQ to HX average 209/month (10582)


Ford Falcon/Fairmont hardtop

XA - XC 20686 75 275/month 5856

Chrysler Charger

VH 17993 21 857/month N/A
VJ 10509 31 339/month N/A
VK 2123 12 177/month N/A
VL 1823 13 140/month N/A

Charger average 421/month

Chrysler hardtop

VH 766 18 42.5/month
VJ 1536 31 49.5/month

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#3 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 12:31:03 AM(UTC)
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A comment here for Warren on the numbers produced/published.

My understanding from many years of interest and speaking to people in the know when it comes to this kind of stuff, it would be preferable to use the term 'sold' when quoting build numbers. As far as I am aware, the only true and confirmed numbers are those resulting from the sales of the various models. I know that when Ben Stewart has provided build data he makes the point of stressing that the stats are from the official records that confirm how many were actually sold and can be accounted for. There may have been more built in some instances but the additional numbers cannot be 100% verified by any reliable means. The 943 for HJ and 580 for HX are examples here.

On the subject of the number of months a model was in production, the times quoted above don't seem right. HJ did not run full series and the HX LE was only in production for 6 months from what I know from a reliable source. As a result, the per month figures must be wrong as they neither reflect the months the cars were built nor the months it took to sell them.

I can recall the figure of one per day was the average the HX LE sold during the time it was on sale as I thought that very poor when I heard it mentioned.
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#4 Posted : Monday, 25 October 2010 2:53:16 AM(UTC)
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Yes very difficult on the sales per month, the reason I used the entire model life was to make it simple. the last LE for example, sold in the HZ period. I think it was mid 78 from memory.

HJ coupes were withdrawn early, the LS first, but some were still available in dealerships.

Even the new coupes, three CV6s were sold in 2004,(Vfacts) when production stopped mid 2003. Same goes for the CV8Z, production stopped on 12/12/05, but mine was sold in January 2006, and there were still plenty around to choose from. The fellow that purchased mine new had 2 to choose from. Have found some first registered in February 2006. I am sure there would be some others later than that, infact, I beleive one dealership still has one that has not been sold yet. If they do sell it it will be with new car warranty and add 5 years to the on sale of these cars.

So the sales per month would actually be lower than that indicated, not more. Which is why you would have the one per day for the LE, with the last being sold so late.

It would scew the figures too much if the actual date of the last one sold was taken into account. Maybe it should be reflected in build per month average. But lets also not forget that they were being built well before they went on sale, first HK Monaro built 5 months before release, first HT 350 6 months before release etc.

The idea was to show how popular they were with buyers. Cars like the LE, CV8R and CV8Z, which are built in a batch as such, do not neccessarily sell in batches.

As can be seen the Monaro was off the boil well before the HQ, and the Falcon coupe was almost as well rejected by the buying public.

Also the estimate left would be lss than 10%, nowhere near 50%. Top line cars like the GTS 350s would be higher as they are more expensive and are more likely to be looked after.

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Edited by user Monday, 25 October 2010 6:56:16 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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