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warren,i have been in touch with some serious holden nutters who tell me the first of HT V8 orders were filled with surplus 307 engines the 308 was not realised til later in the year ,how many dont know,but like you pointed out this bad girl could be to old to have received one. mark, (please someone find me an engine number) Edited by user Friday, 2 September 2011 5:58:17 AM(UTC)
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you're missing the point. HT (early) V8 came with 307 EXCEPT Brougham
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I do not think anyone out there would have the engine number for your car.
Even if they did have the records, they would need the VIN, 81469TH********.
As Bob pionted out, Broughams had 308 right from word go in HT, rest of range got 307 till they ran out, then 308 replaced it. This is when the 308 became available with 4 speed in all but Brougham (all Broughams were auto).
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you're missing the point. HT (early) V8 came with 307 EXCEPT Brougham
i second (EXCEPT BROUGHAM) that!! regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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you're missing the point. HT (early) V8 came with 307 EXCEPT Brougham
I'll third that. How many times do we need to say it? All HT Broughams were 308. |
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You wouldn't know what a Brougham is you wood-duck !!
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if this car isn't original then somebody has gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to fit a 307 and glide into it, it has all the right bits and pieces, kick-down, throttle, brackets, etc. why would they rip out the then more powerful 308 and put in a 307?
coz early 308s did create dramas, like anything in teething stages
307s revved much harder & held together (just dumbly didn't fit 4bbl carb & manifold to em, otherwise would have sh#t on 308s in their day
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rubbish! their were no teething problems with holden 253 or 308 it was only the trimatic auto in all cars. and a stock HK-T 307 even with a 4 BBL carb will not hose off a 308. the 307 was the worse of all chev motors and was a low comp thing that did not rev any more than a 308. and a mate had a std 307 4BBL extractors and twin exhaust as was my stock 308 and he had to admit defeat. A HQ 350 was flat out trying to hose off a HQ 308 and even a XB 351 GT or XC 5.8 could not win against a pre ADR 308. and that's a fact.
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if this car isn't original then somebody has gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to fit a 307 and glide into it, it has all the right bits and pieces, kick-down, throttle, brackets, etc. why would they rip out the then more powerful 308 and put in a 307?
coz early 308s did create dramas, like anything in teething stages
307s revved much harder & held together (just dumbly didn't fit 4bbl carb & manifold to em, otherwise would have sh#t on 308s in their day
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rubbish! their were no teething problems with holden 253 or 308 it was only the trimatic auto in all cars.
and a stock HK-T 307 even with a 4 BBL carb will not hose off a 308. the 307 was the worse of all chev motors and was a low comp thing that did not rev any more than a 308. and a mate had a std 307 4BBL extractors and twin exhaust as was my stock 308 and he had to admit defeat.
A HQ 350 was flat out trying to hose off a HQ 308 and even a XB 351 GT or XC 5.8 could not win against a pre ADR 308. and that's a fact.
YEA yea. probably coz th 307 was still only 2spd slug glide (hopeless in standard form) against 308 3spd traumatic im all for th early 308, just not with th powerslug glide regards DD
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Geez, I'd have to disagree a teeny bit. I've had stock 307's in manual cars, even one in an FJ40 Landcruiser. With a 4BBL manifold, Quaddy and decent exhaust they are rockets. There was a rally team in the late 60's that used 307 GTS's and put the GTS327's exhaust and intake on them and from what I have read they were basically as quick as a 327. If you are talking HJ or later LH and early LX 308 then I'd come closer to agreeing as these had significantly more power than a HT-HQ 308. Dave is spot on though on the 'glide killing the poor old 307 and 308 though. |
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Geez, I'd have to disagree a teeny bit. I've had stock 307's in manual cars, even one in an FJ40 Landcruiser. With a 4BBL manifold, Quaddy and decent exhaust they are rockets. There was a rally team in the late 60's that used 307 GTS's and put the GTS327's exhaust and intake on them and from what I have read they were basically as quick as a 327. If you are talking HJ or later LH and early LX 308 then I'd come closer to agreeing as these had significantly more power than a HT-HQ 308. Dave is spot on though on the 'glide killing the poor old 307 and 308 though.
im hearn ya byron BTW when 253 came out in HTs with 2bbl stromberg sag 4spd & 336 LSD 10 bolt & dual exhaust,it sh@t on 307 with 2bbl carb, sag 4spd & 336LSD but only coz 307s wernt optioned with dual exhaust!! woulda been interesting if HK 307 had o thought of 4bbl & twin system regards DD
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all still no match for the lill winger in a falcon with a loader behind it..awwww lol
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all still no match for the lill winger in a falcon with a loader behind it..awwww lol
FROD S@#TT.. get back to ya ford forum gelati maan!! hehe
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hahahaaaaa, cumon davo, you dirt track cowboys loved them foulcans for ya tow cars for ya demo derbys way back when huh?? a nice 351 laine with a tandem and beat HK wagon derby car on the back, screamin down edols st past johnny dyno's lill hole..ahha cant beat em bro cuzz hahaaaa
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hahahaaaaa, cumon davo, you dirt track cowboys loved them foulcans for ya tow cars for ya demo derbys way back when huh?? a nice 351 laine with a tandem and beat HK wagon derby car on the back, screamin down edols st past johnny dyno's lill hole..ahha cant beat em bro cuzz hahaaaa
HAHA. frod shiittt!!! have never 'to this day', towed any of my holdens, with a "anyone can afford a FORD" piece o s***
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[/quote] and even a XB 351 GT or XC 5.8 could not win against a pre ADR 308. and that's a fact.
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I'd like to see this! Someone should do a road test. I'm putting an early HT 308HP block engine in my HT with a manual. I've only ever owned 6's. Am I going to have that much grunt under my foot and be able to outrun some older 351 Fords? |
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My mate was a sag 4 sp 307 3.08 diff same type of car mine was 4 sp 308. but if you are talking about std exhaust i thing 308's don't like the std single at all and a 307 maybe better in that form.
I had plenty of goes against XB-C 351's they were gutless but an XY or XA GT now they went well.
I had a HG 253 auto with 2.78 diff and just a single 2 1/4 sports exhaust and it was always neck and neck with a 5.8 XC auto with 2.75 diff.
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Geez, I'd have to disagree a teeny bit. I've had stock 307's in manual cars, even one in an FJ40 Landcruiser. With a 4BBL manifold, Quaddy and decent exhaust they are rockets. There was a rally team in the late 60's that used 307 GTS's and put the GTS327's exhaust and intake on them and from what I have read they were basically as quick as a 327. If you are talking HJ or later LH and early LX 308 then I'd come closer to agreeing as these had significantly more power than a HT-HQ 308. Dave is spot on though on the 'glide killing the poor old 307 and 308 though.
Them Torana's had twin exhaust std. HQ monaro 308 had twin and went well and i know a dude that had a HJ 308 monaro it was no different in power. The LX 308 were gutless slugs 190 km/h flat.
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You'd Better check again! Go and have a look at Wheels road tests of an SS 308 LX at release if you can find it. They had to look hard at the acceleration figures of earlier test cars including 351 Fowlcans to see if anything was quicker than the SS. I'm not talking about the strangled, gutless ADR27A examples with awful manifold. What i'm referring to is the 250hp, 9.7:1 1975-1976 pre ADR27A engines. These engines with twin exhaust were pretty good things and were only in 10/74 LH and HJ through to approx 6/76 HJ and LX. The improved power and torque of the HJ 308 was one of the 2 x reasons for the fitment of the TH400 box in Holden and Statesman. |
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