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hello i just got my hands on a hk monaro just wanted help matching the tags if there matching or not. on firewall it says HK32784M(and another m under it) big tag: HK80737-32504M TRIM: 1150-10X PAINT:587-1704 SMALL TAG:80737KJ139... Edited by user Saturday, 19 November 2011 11:36:08 AM(UTC)
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and does the number on the firewall have to match any of the numbers on the small or big tags? and how do you tell the year model of car and if it was a 6 or an 8? i can take photos of the car if use tell me which and where to take the photos of sections of car to tell.sorry for all the questions im new with monaros i got this one for a good price what i couldnt back down.
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The body and the tags are all Dandenong so that is OK, but I cannot guarantee you they all belong together. You'd need to get the ID and chassis number either directly to the Holden Monaro Register or to someone who can send it for you to confirm that (aside from some fluke) the tags belong together. I can send the details on for you if you PM me the details, a few others here probably can too. This process will also tell you an approx build timeframe.
You can't tell if it was a 6 or 8 cyl from the tags. For a HK the location of the speedo cable hole in the firewall will tell you this. If there is a second approx 22mm hole just below and towards the passenger's side of the wiper motor "lump" it is a V8 HK. The hole is normally rough punched after body assembly. The 6cyl hole is in all bodies and it is just towards the passenger side of the brake booster mount. On a V8 car it has a blank speedo cable grommet in it.
If it is a V8 then there are other signs on the tunnel to tell if it is a manual or auto. Most V8 GTS's will have a 10-bolt diff so they'll have the clearance hump along the front edge of where the fuel tank bolts in. Some auto V8 HK GTS's had banjos though, especially early ones. |
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so theres no garuntee the tags do match together
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I'm no HK expert, but given that both the chassis and body no. are close and the PSN is at J139xxx which is 39xxx vehicles down the Melb line since the start of 68 IMHO there is a 99% chance they are matching. |
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There is no such thing as matching tags on a HK, some people like to stretch the idea of "matching tags" to include "the numbers in the service manual match the numbers on the car" true but not really what matching numbers are all about IMHO.
You can have tag numbers that are in the same ball park as the body number or maybe not if the vehicle was completed in a different factory to where the body was made. The lines are very blurry and to my mind confirmed data is confined to cars on the Monaro register and cars with original paperwork or a rego history to back the numbers up.
For the rest it is up to the individual to check out and satisfy themselves, look for things like tags never having been removed if the car hasn't been restored etc. Or ask the guy's this forum whether all the numbers on the car are in the same timeline, without paperwork that's about the best you'll get on the average HK.
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thanks all its all verified now thanks to one of the guys on the site
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thanks all its all verified now thanks to one of the guys on the site
soo easy to make a 6cyl HK look like a V8 by just drillin 2 extra holes in firewall!! i guess thats why there's more V8 ones than 6's now, when more than half were factory 6cyls LOL
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true haha nah i confirmed and took photos of the boot pan (hump for 10bolt) hump in tunnel
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true haha nah i confirmed and took photos of the boot pan (hump for 10bolt) hump in tunnel
goodo. so its a genuine sagnaw with 10 bolt. therefore worth th big dollars for sure
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Sorry to but into the conversation but I have a similar question
I am looking at checking these Monaro tags but the owner will only give me these numbers to verify they match. Is this enough numbers or do I need them all?
big tag HK837M-14_ _ _ B
small tag 81837KH11_ _ _ _
fire wall HK 15_ _ _ B
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They are all from the same location, ie the body number and chassis number are from the Acacia Ridge body plant and the VIN is from the Acacia Ridge assembly plant, so that is a start at least. |
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how many numbers would I need to confirm that all tags match? |
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You can't confirm they match with all numbers. All you can tell is if they don't match. You will never know for certain if they are 100% original to each other, but the margin for error is pretty slim as there are so many recorded now. Note that there were bugger all HK GTS327's built in Acacia Ridge so the chances of them not belonging together if they fit amonst others are slim. The biggest concern nowadays is remade tags, but these are relatively easy to spot if you get high res photos of the tags. |
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If the seller is not willing to give you the numbers of a car he is trying to sell then walk away. Plenty of other cars out there. This whole misguided "I must protect my numbers" is just pure BS.
What can one possibly do with a set of ID tag numbers?
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thanks all its all verified now thanks to one of the guys on the site
soo easy to make a 6cyl HK look like a V8 by just drillin 2 extra holes in firewall!!
i guess thats why there's more V8 ones than 6's now, when more than half were factory 6cyls LOL
Hey Davo, what's the other hole then apart from the speedo hole??
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Hey guys quick tech question. What are the differences from the kings wood front end and monaro in relation to the wishbone and engines mount? Is there a different radiator ect |
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No difference, Holden mass produced cars and most parts are the same across the board.
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So what would have to be changed to convert a 6cyl kingswood to bolt onto v8 monaro hk? |
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So what would have to be changed to convert a 6cyl kingswood to bolt onto v8 monaro hk?
Same as converting a 6-cyl Monaro to V8. Engine & transmission Rear Axle & tailshaft Radiator & exhaust Matching engine & trans,. mounts Wiring & linkages Speedo cable Convert tacho (if fitted) Dr Terry |
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