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Can anyone please give me a clear indication of when Holden introduced the indent to the drivers side of the engine bay which mirrored where the battery tray went(right hand drive vehicles). When I say when I need to know month or maybe even week if possible. I have a customer doing an authentic faithful restoration on his Sydney build HK GTS 327 which is mid August 68. I have access to a mid july Sydney build HK GTS 327 that does not have the indent. We just want to be sure whether his existing subframe is correct. Any help appreciated.
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Interesting question.
I just had a quick look through my HK photo's and have found a HK 327 which has the body tag in the centre firewall as well as the battery notch on the drivers side.
I always thought that the notch appeared around the time the big tag was moved.
Looking forward to hearing the story on this one.
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^^I think it did, but not exactly at the same time ie. the same car. Probably in the same month, but not necessarily at the same time across all assembly plants either. Warren may have a better idea, or if not Ben might. |
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Can anyone please give me a clear indication of when Holden introduced the indent to the drivers side of the engine bay which mirrored where the battery tray went(right hand drive vehicles).
Simon, I don't think that the indent in the RH inner guard was ever intended for the battery. I believe all HK/T/G variants (RHD or LHD) had battery in the LH guard. My thoughts are that the indent was just a method of improving the finish where there was a wrinkle in the early guards, caused by the pressing process. The indent 'used up' the excess metal produced by the curvature of the inner guard & eliminated the wrinkle. The early ones are all 'wrinkled' but the ones with the indent are not. I'm not sure when the indented ones were introduced, around July/August sounds about right. It would've been a different date for each plant, as stocks of the old pressing ran out. Dr Terry |
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Originally posted by HKTG Parts Recovery
Can anyone please give me a clear indication of when Holden introduced the indent to the drivers side of the engine bay which mirrored where the battery tray went(right hand drive vehicles).
Simon, I don't think that the indent in the RH inner guard was ever intended for the battery. I believe all HK/T/G variants (RHD or LHD) had battery in the LH guard.
My thoughts are that the indent was just a method of improving the finish where there was a wrinkle in the early guards, caused by the pressing process. The indent 'used up' the excess metal produced by the curvature of the inner guard & eliminated the wrinkle. The early ones are all 'wrinkled' but the ones with the indent are not.
I'm not sure when the indented ones were introduced, around July/August sounds about right. It would've been a different date for each plant, as stocks of the old pressing ran out.
Dr Terry
that right terry. i cant believe people think its anything to do with LHD for battery. its half th size indent to start with... indent also helped absorb impact on collision & with a medium tap in front, allowed th RH skirt to be repaired, & fit new h/light panel instead of major repair or replacement of RH skirt.. if you bought replacement RH skirt in may/june 68 (even earlier) i garrentee you woulda got an indented one as theyre all same part# right thru HK/T/G although 5 differences occurred on RH one regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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"i cant believe people think its anything to do with LHD for battery."
Sorry davo, it's just one of those things, calling it a battery notch seems plausible for people who have never seen a left hand drive car.
Guy's such as yourself have seen plenty of cars and have much more knowledge, so it's good to have it explained.
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My HK was a Sydney built early inner guard type with body plate on the top of the firewall, without boot or glovebox light.
Its VIN ended H533892.
I hope that helps.
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My HK was a Sydney built early inner guard type with body plate on the top of the firewall, without boot or glovebox light.
Its VIN ended H533892.
I hope that helps.
Warren
Without boot or glovebox light? Do you think maybe the line worker was a little late back from smoko and missed yours? So did it have a lighter, single orange wire? As the glovebox light was incorporated with the lighter as one loom when standard fitment to Premier Brougham GTS and never on its own without lighter. I have seen several different boot light set ups with most running off the right rear coutesy light as in Broughams. |
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I asked Ben to see what he has regarding approx timeframe for introduction of notched inner guard. WIll let you know if he has an answer. |
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Originally posted by HKTG Parts Recovery
Can anyone please give me a clear indication of when Holden introduced the indent to the drivers side of the engine bay which mirrored where the battery tray went(right hand drive vehicles).
Simon, I don't think that the indent in the RH inner guard was ever intended for the battery. I believe all HK/T/G variants (RHD or LHD) had battery in the LH guard.
My thoughts are that the indent was just a method of improving the finish where there was a wrinkle in the early guards, caused by the pressing process. The indent 'used up' the excess metal produced by the curvature of the inner guard & eliminated the wrinkle. The early ones are all 'wrinkled' but the ones with the indent are not.
I'm not sure when the indented ones were introduced, around July/August sounds about right. It would've been a different date for each plant, as stocks of the old pressing ran out.
Dr Terry
Thanks doctor Terry, That makes sense. |
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Originally posted by HKTG Parts Recovery
Can anyone please give me a clear indication of when Holden introduced the indent to the drivers side of the engine bay which mirrored where the battery tray went(right hand drive vehicles).
Simon, I don't think that the indent in the RH inner guard was ever intended for the battery. I believe all HK/T/G variants (RHD or LHD) had battery in the LH guard.
My thoughts are that the indent was just a method of improving the finish where there was a wrinkle in the early guards, caused by the pressing process. The indent 'used up' the excess metal produced by the curvature of the inner guard & eliminated the wrinkle. The early ones are all 'wrinkled' but the ones with the indent are not.
I'm not sure when the indented ones were introduced, around July/August sounds about right. It would've been a different date for each plant, as stocks of the old pressing ran out.
Dr Terry
that right terry.
i cant believe people think its anything to do with LHD for battery. its half th size indent to start with...
indent also helped absorb impact on collision & with a medium tap in front, allowed th RH skirt to be repaired, & fit new h/light panel instead of major repair or replacement of RH skirt..
if you bought replacement RH skirt in may/june 68 (even earlier) i garrentee you woulda got an indented one as theyre all same part# right thru HK/T/G although 5 differences occurred on RH one
regards DD
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I asked Ben to see what he has regarding approx timeframe for introduction of notched inner guard. WIll let you know if he has an answer.
Thanks Byron, in return for your assistance, I will forward some HK GTS 327 tag and body info off some that I have access to that may assist you both in the future. |
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Can anyone please give me a clear indication of when Holden introduced the indent to the drivers side of the engine bay which mirrored where the battery tray went(right hand drive vehicles).
Simon, I don't think that the indent in the RH inner guard was ever intended for the battery. I believe all HK/T/G variants (RHD or LHD) had battery in the LH guard.
My thoughts are that the indent was just a method of improving the finish where there was a wrinkle in the early guards, caused by the pressing process. The indent 'used up' the excess metal produced by the curvature of the inner guard & eliminated the wrinkle. The early ones are all 'wrinkled' but the ones with the indent are not.
I'm not sure when the indented ones were introduced, around July/August sounds about right. It would've been a different date for each plant, as stocks of the old pressing ran out.
Dr Terry
that right terry.
i cant believe people think its anything to do with LHD for battery. its half th size indent to start with...
indent also helped absorb impact on collision & with a medium tap in front, allowed th RH skirt to be repaired, & fit new h/light panel instead of major repair or replacement of RH skirt..
if you bought replacement RH skirt in may/june 68 (even earlier) i garrentee you woulda got an indented one as theyre all same part# right thru HK/T/G although 5 differences occurred on RH one
regards DD
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Sorry Dave, I forgot to go and check on my left hand drive wrecks in the yard. I should've known better. How silly of me.
correct!! ya shoulda known better.but i was just stating a fact
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Simon, I don't think that the indent in the RH inner guard was ever intended for the battery.
Dr Terry
Aint that the truth!! I know a guy that rooted around for days after he had done a VS 5 litre conversion. He wanted the battery on the other side to get away from the air intake. Anyways he installed the battery tray in the indent, made it all look kinda factory and was chuffed with his efforts. Re-routed all the cables and stuff and had it all running. Then he attempted to close the bonnet and it was only when sparks started shooting out at him that he realised that the battery now sat about 2 inches out the top of the engine bay, so whe he tried to shut the bonnet the terminals shorted out on the bonnet.
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absolutely!!! come see me, i got a hoist, an oxy and a sledge hammer, i specialize in floor humps for sag's from EH-HG, HQ 350 floors for the munchers, 350 consoles with Q bond, 10 bolt boot floors, but my specialty is RH skirt indentations, got meself a huge 22lb'a for that..you wanna see me do a hatchback rear floor for the A9X's gelati in one hand..you know whats in the other hahhaaaaa
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Early HK GTS, from Sydney anyway, do not have glove box or boot light, they have the single wire to the lighter.
The boot light is also not fitted, which normally comes off the RH rear quarter lamp.
Have seen some with the accessory kits fitted, ie boot ight only operates when tail lights are on.
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Originally posted by Warren Turnbull
Early HK GTS, from Sydney anyway, do not have glove box or boot light, they have the single wire to the lighter.
The boot light is also not fitted, which normally comes off the RH rear quarter lamp.
Have seen some with the accessory kits fitted, ie boot ight only operates when tail lights are on.
Warren
I find that very unusual Warren. Why is that the case? Are your findings based on one or two vehicles you have seen or do you have documentation supporting it? If Premier and Brougham had them both as standard fitment, and a GTS was as high or higher in luxury level, I find it odd that they were left out. Especially when they were being put in at other plants. Can anyone else elaborate? |
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What I have based this on is seeing many vehicles, from Sydney and at least one from Brisbane that I inspected a few years ago, plus Engineering technical specifications transmission letter H72 dated 1/11/68, has update pages dated October 1968, and one of the specification changes is for glovebox light added to 80737 and 81837. It also has the new oval steering wheel specification, coupe dimension changes, 11 changes all up. Although the GTS may have been higher spec, does not mean that all the features automatically come over. GTS and GTS 327 do not have the dash ends that Brougham and Premier get, the glovebox and boot light were probably the same. But last minute change ment they were included, and Sydney definately built GTS and GTS 327s without them. (Just thumbing through the other letters, H69 has luggage compartment lamp added 80737 and 81837. Dated 9th September 1968, update pages date August 1968.) Does not say when they were introduced on the line. Would guess that when the spec was changed it would have changed across the board, so surprised that early Adelaide cars have them. Warren Edited by user Saturday, 9 June 2012 2:06:43 AM(UTC)
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On a similar topic Warren. A few years ago I remember speaking to you about rear door courtesy lights switches being absent on 'some' HQ GTS 4-doors. Did you ever get to the bottom of that story, as you have with the early HK GTS boot/glovebox light issue.
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