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#41 Posted : Sunday, 17 June 2012 5:24:41 PM(UTC)
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I have 3 questions that I dont know the answer to.

1. Which model had the fewest Nasco options?
2. Which model had the most Nasco options?
3. Which common part had the longest use in all models? I can think of one.
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#42 Posted : Sunday, 17 June 2012 6:05:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally posted by tranx
I have 3 questions that I dont know the answer to.

1. Which model had the fewest Nasco options?
2. Which model had the most Nasco options?
3. Which common part had the longest use in all models? I can think of one.


This gets very complicated because strictly speaking Nasco were responsible for accessories not options, & what is the definition of when an option becomes classed as an accessory or vice versa. Nasco ceased in 1973, so 1948 to 1973 is your timeframe.

Also many accessories are unique to one model series, some will fit several. Also some, like bottles of polish are designed for everything on the road.

As far as the series with the most dedicated Nasco accessories, that honour would go to EJ/EH, because the list goes into pages. As the factory option list grew & more stuff became standard, like heaters, radios, seatbelts, w/washers, reverse lights etc. the accessory list got smaller, consequently the HQ list is shorter.

The one with the least accessories available is probably HB Torana.

When it comes to options, the one with the most would be HQ & the one with the least would be 48 (FX), which apart from trim & colour choice had almost no options available.

The part that had the longest use ? That's a tough one, but there are many parts on utes & vans like spare tyre locks & tailgate struts that went on forever. What about the front wheel bearings which remained unchanged from late FE to VP Commodore ?

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#43 Posted : Sunday, 17 June 2012 6:38:54 PM(UTC)
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Squeak327. I think we may have to settle one thing before we go on with this question any further. That is. IS a HSV a HOLDEN or NOT. After all they are a HOLDEN special Vehicle. if you want to bye one you go to the HOLDEN dealer. OR do we start at the other end and ask When is a HOLDEN not a HOLDEN. Could get a bit complicated....best regards....Jack
This is another one which causes many arguments. In many ways an HSV is not a Holden.

Firstly they are considered to be a separate brands in the market & HSVs are not counted in Holden figures in the official sales charts. Also, all HSV dealers are Holden dealers but not all Holden dealers are HSV dealers. You can't go to just any Holden dealer to purchase a new HSV.

In many ways it's like Lexus, we all know that a Lexus is a Toyota, but they are separate brands in the marketplace.

A Vauxhall Viva or a Bedford CF van was built here by GM-H & sold by Holden dealers but they are still not Holdens.

To be a Holden it must have have a HOLDEN badge & to be a 'real' Holden it must be made here (or at least assembled here).

I would consider HSV to be another GM brand, like Chev, Opel, Buick, Vauxhall or Bedford, but as I said they are not Holdens.

Like the question about smallest & largest engines, we don't count the HSV/Corvette 6.2 Gen 4 V8 as a Holden motor.

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#44 Posted : Sunday, 17 June 2012 7:03:08 PM(UTC)
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So Terry, if the car must be manufactured and sold with a Holden badge, then what about the TX Gemini, it is an Isuzu Gemini?

Then there is the HQ to HZ Statesman, these were marketed and sold as GM vehicles, not Holden.

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#45 Posted : Sunday, 17 June 2012 7:13:00 PM(UTC)
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So Terry, if the car must be manufactured and sold with a Holden badge, then what about the TX Gemini, it is an Isuzu Gemini?

Then there is the HQ to HZ Statesman, these were marketed and sold as GM vehicles, not Holden.

Warren

2 good points, but the TX Gemini still had Holden badges as well as the the Isuzu badge on the rear panel to attract those who were attracted to a Japanese brand.

The HQ-HZ Statesmans were similar in that they tried to be a 'step above' a Holden & become a 'GM' vehicle, although the Statesman emblem still had the 'Lion & Stone' included in its design. I think that that experiment failed & there are not too many people on the planet who would consider an HQ Statesman to be anything other than Holden, unless it's an export Chev version.

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#46 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 1:21:42 AM(UTC)
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Well bugger me I thought I knew what a Holden was. Until I realised they put a Ford front end in them and then shared lucas alternators with Ford and the distributor cap and rotor button are interchangeable with some Fords. But I don't suppose it really Matters considering who own what car companies these days. Interesting history though if you want look back at the 1920s and 30s at the number of car makers Holden made parts for and not only GM either...... Oh did we come up with what the biggest engine was if the, well Dr Terry said the 6.2 isn't allowed. There were some big engines being built during the 2nd WW. By who I'm not sure. I'll do some more research.....Jack

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#47 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 3:17:04 AM(UTC)
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This is getting a bit silly now. But What would be left if we removed all the PARTS from any vehicles assembled in Australia that had the same part MADE FOR or INTERCHANGEABLE WITH any OTHER different BRAND vehicle part for an Australian assembled vehicle. What would we have left. No you're not allowed to start using your lathe or the like to make it fit. No not rebadged vehicles, Just what PARTS made to fit one brand that fit or are interchangeable with another brand. No after market stuff. No we won't count bolts and nuts, light bulbs, tyres, screws etc....Well let's start here; Fords & Chryslers wheel stud pattern and I think some Toyotas the same pattern too, but do any have the same offset though to be a genuine interchangeable part ? You tell me......Jack
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#48 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 3:34:29 AM(UTC)
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Well bugger me I thought I knew what a Holden was. Until I realised they put a Ford front end in them and then shared lucas alternators with Ford and the distributor cap and rotor button are interchangeable with some Fords.


What Holden had a Ford front end fitted to it ?

Same will Lucas, Lucas was seen in a lot Pommy Ford 4s, but what Falcon used a Lucas alternator or distributor ?

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#49 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 7:40:19 AM(UTC)
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All HSV dealers are Holden dealers, but not all Holden dealers are HSV dealers. That is a valid point, however you can't buy a HSV from any other type of dealership other than a Holden dealer correct? If they were marketed from a dealership that only sold HSV cars then perhaps they would be a separate brand. HSV is a marketing exercise that only exists because Holden wants it to. If they were producing cars that reduced buyer appeal for Holden cars then they would disappear. Peter Brock discovered this fact.So in that regard they are simply another Holden car.
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#50 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 9:33:28 AM(UTC)
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Agree the HSV thing could be argued over forever but the only things I would say are that, unless I am mistaken, their Body Identification Plates all show the Holden model designation like VZ8V...... or VY8V.... etc. They also I think, come with a owners manual (or glovebox book if you like) which is the same as the one issued to the equivalent regular Commodore model - they say Holden on the front cover and display the Holden Badge.

Longest running Part:

My guess, if its not the wheel bearing as the DOC suggested, is the 'C' clip used to hold window winders on.

Ford Front end?
Blamey is that some sort of trick question - JB Camira looks crudely like a shrunk version of an XD falcon perhaps at a stretch?
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#51 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 4:33:53 PM(UTC)
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I was thinking of the C clip for the window winders too.

I have another question, this time a bit more obscure.

What is the oldest export-Holden to still exist in a foreign country?
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#52 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 6:58:16 PM(UTC)
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The C-clip changed slightly several times & FX/FJ didn't have them. Either do VE, which didn't get wind-up windows at all. So the FE-VP was used in more years production.

I can't see any similarity in the front end design between a Camira & any model Falcon. A Camira is FWD with Macpherson/Chapman struts & a single lower control arm. Falcon front end design has changed quite a bit since 1960 but it has always had upper & lower control arms plus an upright, markedly different to any strut type front end.

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#53 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 7:00:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally posted by tranx

I have another question, this time a bit more obscure.

What is the oldest export-Holden to still exist in a foreign country?

That would have to be a New Zealand FJ.

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#54 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 8:21:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally posted by Dr Terry
The C-clip changed slightly several times & FX/FJ didn't have them. Either do VE, which didn't get wind-up windows at all. So the FE-VP was used in more years production.

I can't see any similarity in the front end design between a Camira & any model Falcon. A Camira is FWD with Macpherson/Chapman struts & a single lower control arm. Falcon front end design has changed quite a bit since 1960 but it has always had upper & lower control arms plus an upright, markedly different to any strut type front end.

Dr Terry


Well there you go I have learned something new again - I had assumed the clips all the way to at least Vs were the same simply on basis of appearance and using the same tool to remove them off lots of different models.

As to the Ford thing, I was thinking perhaps the term 'front end' had been used to refer to the sheet metal and thought that at a stretch, and after a few beers, you could see broad similarities in the design/shape/positioning of the headlights, grille and blinkers on the Camira and the XD.
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#55 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 9:18:54 PM(UTC)
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As to the Ford thing, I was thinking perhaps the term 'front end' had been used to refer to the sheet metal and thought that at a stretch, and after a few beers, you could see broad similarities in the design/shape/positioning of the headlights, grille and blinkers on the Camira and the XD.

And just about every other car on the market in the early 80s. Have a look at VB/C/H Commodore, Volvos. 626 Mazda/Telstar, Bluebird, Sigma, Corona etc. etc. (Even UC Torana at a pinch !)

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#56 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 9:21:15 PM(UTC)
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Sorry Dr Terry, Yes I was probably stretching things a bit, As Sqeak327 has said. I should have SAID Ford STYLE suspension. As for the Alternator you picked me up on Yes some Ford vehicles maybe, but not Falcon. I still think some Ford distributor caps and rotor buttons will fit some Holdens....Jack
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#57 Posted : Monday, 18 June 2012 11:22:01 PM(UTC)
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I still think some Ford distributor caps and rotor buttons will fit some Holdens....Jack

Yes, I believe a lot of the Bosch caps & rotors will interchange between Holden, Falcon & Valiant, but as I said, not Lucas.

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#58 Posted : Tuesday, 19 June 2012 3:06:22 AM(UTC)
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Ok I have another two questions.

Which paint colour code lasted the longest in a model or across several models?

When did Holden change the screws/bolts from imperial to metric?
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#59 Posted : Tuesday, 19 June 2012 3:35:57 AM(UTC)
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#60 Posted : Tuesday, 19 June 2012 4:06:06 AM(UTC)
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Ok I have another two questions.

Which paint colour code lasted the longest in a model or across several models?

When did Holden change the screws/bolts from imperial to metric?


Probably one of the fleet colours. You see them cropping up all the way from the late 50's / early 60's into HQ-HZ. Heron white was around for a long time too. Not sure when it started but probably circa VN and afaik you can still get it today on a VE.
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