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#1 Posted : Wednesday, 7 November 2012 8:32:18 AM(UTC)
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Hi there, I just had my 308 reconditioned and want to keep to original colour. I thought it should be painted holden red but someone told me they were Chevy orange? I always thought it was just the chev motors that were painted Chevy orange, can someone please confirm for me. Thanks Phil
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 7 November 2012 6:15:37 PM(UTC)
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None of them inlcuding the Chev engines were painted Chevy Orange, they are all a version of Holden red but there are a few types. I don't have the details at hand, but someone else here will.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, 10 November 2012 11:47:30 PM(UTC)
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Hi there, I just had my 308 reconditioned and want to keep to original colour. I thought it should be painted holden red but someone told me they were Chevy orange? I always thought it was just the chev motors that were painted Chevy orange, can someone please confirm for me. Thanks Phil


The Monaro bible states the colour for an HQ Aussie V8 engine is HK Rocket Red. The 202 engines were the same colour. I think the trade name for the colour is Holden Red. The 350 engine is a different colour called Engine Red.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, 11 November 2012 3:15:12 AM(UTC)
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I think the Chev V8's use an old X2 engine colour or something like that. I'll see what I have here on it.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, 11 November 2012 7:33:19 AM(UTC)
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GM-H named their engine 'reds' in a very confusing manner.

AFAIK the EH-HR red was called just that, "Engine Red'. The HD/HR X2 & S motors were painted 'Rocket Red'. From HK-HZ all Holden 6 & V8s were painted 'HK Rocket Red'. The old darker EH/HR red has been retrospectively named Holden Special Red.

I'm not 100% sure about the Chev V8s fitted to Holdens (HK/T/G/Q - 307/327/350) but I believe GM-H repainted them here before fitting the accessories (carby, dissy, alternator etc.), but what colour was it ?? Was it HK Rocket Red ?? Why would it be any other colour ??

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#6 Posted : Sunday, 11 November 2012 8:47:05 AM(UTC)
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Ok thanks, rocket red it is then. Phil
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#7 Posted : Monday, 12 November 2012 8:25:34 AM(UTC)
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Have a pic of a 1968 GMH interior trim colour and engine colour card. Lists holden engine red 6280 for hd & hr, holden x2 engine red 8929 for all x2 engines, hk rocket red 10890 for all hk models.Some of the numbers are hard to read so not sure if they are right
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#8 Posted : Monday, 12 November 2012 6:43:46 PM(UTC)
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I spoke to Ben, Bazza has it just about spot on:

6280 used on EH-HR except for X2 (not sure about 186S).
8929 used on X2.
10890 used on HK-HZ, LH-LX and VB except Chev engines.
8929 used on HK-HQ Chev engines except very late ones appear to return to 10890.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2012 7:36:56 AM(UTC)
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The colour card also lists Holden engine grey ( 10367 ) is used on all models prior to HD. Are they reffering to 149 and the side plate motors
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 14 November 2012 8:11:13 AM(UTC)
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Bazza I would assume that should be all models before the EH, it being first with the red motor.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, 15 November 2012 8:27:11 PM(UTC)
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Did not the HJ on get a clear coat over the red ?
As i always seen this stuff pealing off the top of the paint but non of the other reds before that had that clear coating.
Fire engine red was what most called the EH to HR.
I think the old 283 307 327 350 chev were a bit more orange then the HK-G red.
I am sure the HK-G red is different to the HQ as the HQ were a bit more pinker as i serviced my mums HJ and my sisters HK and brothers HQ at home with all of them lined up and remember clearly, seeing them in the sun as i had them all lined up on the weekend side by side back in the 1979 and all were original std factory engines.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, 15 November 2012 8:43:38 PM(UTC)
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Yes, HJ onwards had clear painted over the engines, and in some cases over the engine bay from original cars I remember seeing in the 80's.
Yes Holden Chev engines were more orange, they used X2 red. Not sure about all the 283 and 327's though, remember they were here from the early 60's. I was only referring to 1968 (large journal) onwards.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, 15 November 2012 10:13:35 PM(UTC)
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AFAIK Chevrolet V8s used in Australian assembled Chevs & Pontaics were just left their original Chevy Orange colour. It was only the Chevs fitted to Holdens that were repainted.

Some of the earlier Chev V8s (in the USA) had some strange colours as well. I remember a guy with a late 50s Chevy pick-up truck & its engine was green & the owner swore it had never been touched & a customer had a LHD 57 Chev with a 265 & its engine was an odd yellow/green colour.

I don't know why Holden used that clear over the engine bay in HJ-HZ days, but I do remember that they looked a bit tatty when they were only a 1 or 2 years old. HZ & UC especially had a large white label near the brake master cylinder where you could see where the clear lacquer had gone brown except where it had flaked leaving the label white in patches.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, 15 November 2012 11:07:05 PM(UTC)
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Terry, I think the Tonnawanda large journal engines in Chevs and Pontaics (with HK-HG Chev V8 engine numbers) were the same colour as the HK-HQ examples. Don't quote me, but the bits i've found off them oveer the years like heads, block, inlets etc look the same colour as original 307 and 327 HK stuff i've found. I can't recall for sure but I think they were painted overseas in a GMH specified colour.

HJ features manual states "To improve the engine compartment appearance all sheet metal and mechanical items are sprayed in clear laquer". So I guess that is their reason!
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#15 Posted : Friday, 16 November 2012 12:22:02 AM(UTC)
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Does this " Clear Coating of the engine & engine bay " mean LH Toranas were done the same ? Thanks Mark
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#16 Posted : Friday, 16 November 2012 12:30:58 AM(UTC)
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I think it means those past HJ release.
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#17 Posted : Monday, 19 November 2012 8:10:29 AM(UTC)
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My Feb 74 built HQ was delivered with a clear lacquer over most things in the engine bay. I always thought this was some sort of dealer preparation but this also went brown after a few years. Are we talking about the same thing?
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#18 Posted : Monday, 19 November 2012 5:25:54 PM(UTC)
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It could be, it may have been introduced earlier than HJ release.
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