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Hi FastLaners...
I need to find out if the current engine in my Monaro is the genuine one. As it is a 72, there is no compliance plate numbers to match then engine number to.
I have been advised there is a Holden Data Base that stores the original engine number (matched to the Vin) and also that I may be able to acquire a Holden Authenticity Letter (heard mixed opinions on its value and accuracy).
I am interested in selling but need to confirm asap.
I have always believed it to be a 308 however someone believes its 253. I really want to refrain from stripping her down to check the bore measurements.
Thanks very much.
Tania
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HHS can verify if the car has the original engine number. Their service cost around $90.
The engine number QT would be for 308 and QR for 253.
They will also have eithe r253 or 308 cast on the side of the block.
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As Warren says, except not all cars had their engine numbers recorded, but if it isn't HHS will be able to advise if the engine doesn't belong to the car. |
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This is the place that the above two posters are talking about. http://www.holdenhistoricalservices.com.au/
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HHS can verify if the car has the original engine number. Their service cost around $90.
The engine number QT would be for 308 and QR for 253.
They will also have eithe r253 or 308 cast on the side of the block.
Warren
Hi Warren, Many thanks for your assistance. Do all Holden Engine Numbers have a QT or QR for a V8 please?? Do you have any idea on the engine number WT311222?? I found an old receipt today that came with my Monaro that is somewhat unclear... the description states "308 Tri Short, Supply Repco Duralite Pistons". The reciept was dated 1991 and was for the value of $1625. It did not say "Supply and Fit 308 Tri Short" therefore I am unsure as to wether it was a new engine or not. Love your feedback Thanks again. Regards, Tania
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WT##### is a newer WB series 308, so not the original block. 11WT#### would be from a Statesman or Caprice so likely from a commercial vehicle. The cast date code near the front of the passenger side head will confirm the day, year and month the block was cast. James ps If the receipt says "supply" the owner may have fitted the engine or taken the car to someone else for replacement. Edited by user Monday, 29 December 2014 9:28:07 AM(UTC)
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WT##### is a newer WB series 308, so not the original block. 11WT#### would be from a Statesman or Caprice so likely from a commercial vehicle. The cast date code near the front of the passenger side head will confirm the day, year and month the block was cast.
James
Hi James, Thank you very much. I will check the block. Cheers
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Very rare for a WB 308 engine not to be 11WT (Deville) or 12WT (Caprice) prefix. WT would be from a WB commercial and there were very few of these made, I've only ever seen one.
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Very rare for a WB 308 engine not to be 11WT (Deville) or 12WT (Caprice) prefix. WT would be from a WB commercial and there were very few of these made, I've only ever seen one.
There are literally multiple dozens of different engine number prefixes for Holden V8 engines.
Hi HK1837, Thanks mate. Are the WT engines from the commercial special in any way, ie performance, value etc, as there were little made?? Thanks again... you guys have been awesome. Regards, Tania
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WT prefix would be a blue motor from a WB and there is only one spec for that engine. Different spec engines normally get different prefixes. (some variations are VL, but all WT are the same)
The engine may have been a repo short motor, quite common around that time to go to Repco and simply get an exchange engine, long or short.
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As Warren says nothing special, just not many made as GMH didn't make 5.0L commercials and you couldn't order one. The only way one would be created was by someone with influence bypassing the ordering system. I have seen one, a 5.0L trimatic WB cab-chassis in yellow, bench seat column shift. Dr Terry told me he recalls seeing at least one, a ute from memory. |
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IIRC the ambulance packs could be ordered with a 308.
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In HJ-HZ yes - that was the only way you could get a 5.0L in a cab-chassis. But not in WB, or nothing yet come to light to demonstrate it. |
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Possibly the most unusuall Holden HQ-WB engine prefix. Would love to actually find a WB ute/van/one tonner with a factory fitted 5 litre.
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...could this engine prefix also be for the industrial Bedford 308's of that era?
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Those had a BV prefix, B for Bedford, V as it was the next available letter (these were a low comp 5.0). The Bedford 4.2 was BS - S was an existing prefix used for low comp 253/4.2 in HQ, HJ, LH etc (QS, 11QS, HS).
The use of V is logical, R is 4.2HC, S is 4.2LC, T is 5.0, U is 350, V is 5.0LC. The illogical one is Z in LH for the L34 engine, they skipped V. Unless V was used at the time for a 4cyl engine? |
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Hi guys I'm just about to purchase my dream car a hk Monaro and was wondering who could tell me if the engine casting number was for that vehicle they say its a 327 but I just wouldn't mind checking out numbers for myself it has got the raise in the fuel tank indicating it was a v8 in it
Thanks for your help
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Put up the casting number and the engine number and it will be possible to figure out what is is/was.
You are correct that a Salisbury diff hump in a HK Monaro says V8, but not all HK V8 Monaro got a Salisbury. The only HK Monaro to get a Salisbury was if it was optioned with a 307 and manual, auto 307 Monaro got a banjo. Most HK GTS optioned with a 307 got a Salisbury, but a few 307 auto cars have turned up with either a 2.78:1 or 3.08:1 banjo but mostly early on - the Engineering specs were updated in I think later July 1968 to show the 3.36:1 Salisbury as standard in V8 GTS. A 1969 build 307 auto GTS did turn up recently though with a banjo, probably as they wanted a highway diff and the 3.08:1 Salisbury was removed as an option for 1969 HK, it must have bypassed the system somehow.
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