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Have some questions about these stripes and other detail finishes.
I have a copy of the template for these stripes but cannot read the text relating to the bonnet stripes (this is the small text between the bonnet and boot lid drawing and the side stripe dimension drawing) I think it would be an offset measurement from the edge of the bonnet?
Also would like to know what is the recommended paint finish for these stripes.
I have picked up a web site that indicates signal red as the colour for the boot moulding, is this correct? Also is this the colour for the GTS badges, wheel arch moulds & Holden badge on the grille?
What is the paint finish for the grille and headlight surrounds?
The dashboard?
The top of the dash and pillars?
Any other advice on these topics would be welcome.If it makes any difference the car is silver mink colour
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Best bet would be if you're on Facebook, join the 'HK HT HG Holden Appreciation Society'. Heaps of good blokes and you'll probably get an instant response
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Re the paint colours, Dulux used to put out a book listing colours & gloss levels for smaller parts- wheels, steering columns, etc.
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Spell out exactly which dimensions you are missing and i'll put them up here. My copies are clear.
Stripe paint is a satin finish Warrigal black. The paint line is 566 whereas the gloss exterior paint is a 568 paint line. HT use 568 Warrigal for blackouts and stripes. |
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Thanks for the replies. HK 1837 could you post your copies here for me as I will probably add confusion trying to clear up the problems I have with the current template. Regards Gerard.
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The red in the boot strip is different to the red in badges and wheel arch molds.
It was a clear red for the boot strip, and I have found hobby/model paint X27 clear red to be a near perfect match.
Signal red is an exterior colour for a car and as far as I know not the colour for the badges and wheel arch molds. Take a badge into a sapecialist paint shop and they may be able to match it.
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Once again thanks for these replies. I am hoping to arrange to have a look at a local car this weekend in regards to the stripes and will photograph and measure this car in detail and then will compare it to the template I have.
In regards to the X27 paint colour, I take this to be the Tamiya brand? Can you advise me on how much of this paint would be needed to paint the boot strip and tail light ends. I had a look through my model car paint box and I have this colour in the small glass bottle but noticed some Tamiya spray cans in other colours (net volume 100ml) If the X27 clear red is available in a spray can do you think this is good enough to spray the parts with or should it be done with the proper spray gun?
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I have found another copy of the HK stripes stencil which clears up the dimensions that were unclear on a previous version. These being the distance from the edge of the bonnet & boot lid to the start of the stripes The dimensions are 6.78 inches for the bonnet & 3.3 inches for the boot lid.
I have converted the imperial dimensions on the template to metric (rounded up or down to nearest mm) and would appreciate if anyone with one of these cars could confirm my calculations.
My conversions are as follows:
Bonnet & bootlid stripe offsets: bonnet offset 6.78" = 172mm, bootlid offset 3.3" = 84mm
Stripe section widths: 4.89" = 124mm - 0.75" = 19mm - 1.29" = 33mm. Total width of stripe sections = 176mm
Side stripes: Offfset of stripe from lower door crease 0.56" = 14mm .
Stripe section widths: 1.08" = 27mm - 0.38" = 10.0mm - 0.40" = 10mm. Total width of stripe sections = 47mm
Not sure if it makes a difference but in relation to the start of the side stripe from the lower door crease, is the distance of 0.56" or 14mm, measured along the door skin profile or as an offset distance from the crease? (if that makes sense)
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Sounds like you have an old copy of the drawings I made back in the 90s.
The conversions are right. The 0.56" dimension would be from the bottom of the crease.
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Those dimensions align with the Engineering detail I have. The 0.56" distance to the top of the uppermost side stripe is from the top of the door crease. The drawings says: 0.56" CONSTANT. It shows the distance in section (looking into the door skin's edge) from the base of the "flat" section of the skin before it starts to turn inwards into the crease. The top of the stripe appears to sit right on the base of the crease as it goes "flat" again. |
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Gerard, I just checked with Ben and the Cove section on the HK GTS's boot will be 585 or 586 gloss (essentially 585 1968, 568 1969) Warrigal - photos of bodies out of the body plant of HK GTS's show this area black but no stripes which were done in the finishing area in 566 Warrigal. |
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Thanks for these replies, getting these details is important for the overall finish of the car. Had a look at one of these cars here the other day and the bonnet & boot stripes were as per the template, but found I couldn't confirm the details on the top starting point for the side stripes. This additional detail will help to sort this point out, but I have attached a sketch of the door end profile just to confirm this. I would appreciate confirmation or comments on this sketch. Also comments as to the correct finishing point of the side stripes at the end of the rear quarter as panel (below the bumper bar) i.e. just short of the panel end or right to the end of the panel? https://drive.google.com...MWlhYWtDaZFpac2dtQzBvRHM
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That is different to the GMH documents. Those show 0.56" from the top of the slope not the bottom. Send me a PM and i'll send you a scan. |
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The best way to measure the top starting point of the side stripes would be to measure from the lower edge of the door to the start of the stripe. I probably should have measured to the top of the upper stripe actually. My lower stripe is wider 13.7mm than the space between the stripes 9.9mm They werent very accurate at the factory anyway. Mine is original paint and I measured up 36.6mm (1.440")  Total width of the two stripes plus space between = 47.7mm (1.880")  Width of the upper strip = 24.1 (0.950")  Width of lower stripe = 13.7 (0.540")  Here you can see how they tried to match the quater panel stripe to the door stripe. Bend it down a little bit she'll be right.  Edited by user Tuesday, 14 July 2015 6:51:28 AM(UTC)
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Those dimensions align with the Engineering detail I have. The 0.56" distance to the top of the uppermost side stripe is from the top of the door crease. The drawings says: 0.56" CONSTANT. It shows the distance in section (looking into the door skin's edge) from the base of the "flat" section of the skin before it starts to turn inwards into the crease. The top of the stripe appears to sit right on the base of the crease as it goes "flat" again.
Mine is about 0.660" from the top or start of the crease. 
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Which assembly (and body plant if different) did your car come from?
That door may have dropped a fraction as the side stripes went on after the car was completed. The masking they used obviously went around the door frame though so they may have applied the mask separately as you say and did a bad job of getting them straight! |
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Wayne
Which assembly (and body plant if different) did your car come from?
That door may have dropped a fraction as the side stripes went on after the car was completed. The masking they used obviously went around the door frame though so they may have applied the mask separately as you say and did a bad job of getting them straight!
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