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HT prem for sale on muscle car sales. Seems to be fitted with a very rare industrial 186. WHAT THE HELL IS AN INDUSTRIAL 186??
TOTALY ORIGINAL HT Premier with rare DEALER FITTED A/C. Un-restored matching numbers 1969 HT Holden Premier sedan. Very rare Industrial 6 cylinder 186 engine fitted from factory. 3 speed manual column shift. Factory optioned with disk brake front end, tow pack, sun visor and metallic paint. Log books and owners manual. NEVER had a radio fitted. CD/ radio fitted in glove box. Mostly original paint with no rust and minor crows feet on bonnet, roof and boot. Perfect trim. Stills smells new. One family owned car. Comes with its original number plates. Sold unregistered. A TRUE SURVIVOR CAR. Melbourne car.
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As I understand it the industrial engines were slightly different to the standard engines. they were intended for use on cement mixer trucks, generators, fork lifts etc, and so need different specifications like cam, carby etc, as most were required to run at a steady speed for hours, the standard engine would glaze up or run funny with these conditions.
I think part of the specification was these engine had different cranks as well, being to a better metal.
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It has a 186P engine number in sequence for its time. It is also an early build so I would suggest that it has the standard HT 186 engine.
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That is what I was thinking Warren, it is probably unlikely that a industrial engine would be fitted. Is the 186 letters on the block normal for this timeframe? They look a bit odd? |
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I think that we are all on the same page here. I don't know how anyone could order a 'Special' industrial engine on a regular production model, unless you really knew somebody in the know. Having said that, that 186 casting does look odd. The owners manual lists an original 186P number, but it would interesting to have a close look at the stamping on the 'current' block in the car.
Even then, most of the industrial engine catalogs that I have, just list regular engines with normal prefixes (like 186P) just with different ancillary fittings. I'm not aware of any internal heavy duty upgrades to the various industrial versions. Even in Grey motor days, they list things like magneto ignition & up-draught carbies, but the basic engine (long motor) was the just regular production item of the time.
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They may of used the steel crank ?
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Looks like a HR exhaust manifold.
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Looks like a HR exhaust manifold.
Weren't the HK/T/G 161/186 exhaust manifolds the same as HR 161/186 ? Dr Terry |
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Another item that I just noticed is the air/cond. The advert mentioned "dealer-fitted air/cond". It might have been fitted by that dealer, but not in 1969, when the car was new.
That unit is a Repco Cooldrive III which wasn't released until 1977.
Also, am I reading the body & chassis numbers correctly ? It was the 586th HT out of the Melbourne (Dandenong) plant & at the same time the 577th Premier sedan ?
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Terry, 577th HT body plate stamped in the Dandenong body plant and the 586th HT chassis number stamped at the Dandenong facility. A few cars overtook or got delayed to cause the discrepancy. For this stage of HT I can't remember if Dandenong stamped the firewall with its chassis number when the firewall was flat or when it was part of the body (they did both at varying stages). You can tell by looking at the stamping. |
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Looks like a HR exhaust manifold.
Weren't the HK/T/G 161/186 exhaust manifolds the same as HR 161/186 ?
Dr Terry
No, the HR exhaust manifold have a different looking casting at 2,3 port, it sticks out like and the others just fold down like.
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My HK 186 has that casting. On further investigation, my HG does not have it, so I wonder when it was discontinued.
I always thought that it was for a proposed automatic choke set-up which never eventuated.
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...Would the industrial engines be low compression?
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...Would the industrial engines be low compression?
Both lo-comp & hi-comp are listed, but I have no idea on their respective sales figures. You would have thought that the lo-comp version would be more common in industrial engines than for regular production cars. Dr Terry |
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My HK 186 has that casting. On further investigation, my HG does not have it, so I wonder when it was discontinued.
I always thought that it was for a proposed automatic choke set-up which never eventuated.
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Are they the same part numbers ? I don't think the EH or HD is like the HR one's
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My HK 186 has that casting. On further investigation, my HG does not have it, so I wonder when it was discontinued.
I always thought that it was for a proposed automatic choke set-up which never eventuated.
Dr Terry
Are they the same part numbers ?
I don't think the EH or HD is like the HR one's
I'll check the part numbers over the weekend. EH/HD exhaust manifolds are totally different to HR onwards. The early ones are like the HX/HZ style where the inlet & exhaust manifolds are bolted together so that the exhaust gases provide the manifold heat. HR to HJ use water heated inlet, which are isolated from the exhaust manifold. Dr Terry |
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In regards to low compression engines. Would a low compression 161 just be a 161 with a 186 head? |
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Yes, and I think 149 with 179 head is the same. 173 is slightly different in that it uses a 202 head but the pistons are also different. 186 and 202 low comp use the same head as the high comp engines but have dished pistons. Can't recall exactly how 138 works. |
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138 uses a 161 head & domed pistons. The 2 different comp versions get different sized domes.
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My HK 186 has that casting. On further investigation, my HG does not have it, so I wonder when it was discontinued.
I always thought that it was for a proposed automatic choke set-up which never eventuated.
Dr Terry
Are they the same part numbers ?
I don't think the EH or HD is like the HR one's
I'll check the part numbers over the weekend.
EH/HD exhaust manifolds are totally different to HR onwards. The early ones are like the HX/HZ style where the inlet & exhaust manifolds are bolted together so that the exhaust gases provide the manifold heat. HR to HJ use water heated inlet, which are isolated from the exhaust manifold.
Dr Terry
All EH-D had cast iron intake as well.
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