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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 16 September 2008 7:51:53 PM(UTC)
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Ok,
so ive brought a 1977 Hz SL Wagon, great car, good nick but tired 202!
It's got the single throat carby, extractors, and the rest is standard, including a leaky powersteering unit!! haha
It's got the 4sp manual, on the floor. So my question is... apart from the motor itself, what is needed to transplant a 253 or 308?
I was thinking 253 coz it'll be more grunty than the 202 but it wont be such that i'm fighting the car to stay on the straight and narrow, aspecially in the wet. and it'd be better on fuel than the 308? wont it? So i think i'd need the following:

engine mounts
radiator
an assortment of hoses to match the V8
Extractors/exhaust manifolds and exhaust pipes.

IS that it?? or are there a lot of little things that are required?
Also i've swaped engines before on a sigma and a BMW 520 and i used to work in a Wrecking Yard, so the Mechcanical repairs and stuff is fine for me but for this 202>253 transplant am i going to find it a lot different to a motor swap?? will it be a straight forward weekend job or will it take a lot of effort and a bit of time?? Am i going to fine i need to modify stuff??

Thanks Guys any help would be great
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 16 September 2008 7:58:13 PM(UTC)
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Ok,
so ive brought a 1977 Hz SL Wagon, great car, good nick but tired 202!
It
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 16 September 2008 7:58:13 PM(UTC)
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Ok,
so i've brought a 1977 Hz SL Wagon, great car, good nick but tired 202!
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 16 September 2008 8:01:41 PM(UTC)
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Sorry about the second post.... i pressed the wrong thing... lol im a bit new to forums.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 16 September 2008 10:27:06 PM(UTC)
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The input shaft on the gearbox needs to changed, if you have an M20, most likely for a 6, this was the same box used for factory 253s, the vented front discs and drums you have will be same as factory 253, you need to changed the front springs to V8, the

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 16 September 2008 11:39:39 PM(UTC)
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Heres what youll need:

Complete 253 or 308 out of a HX, HZ or WB with alternator bracket and HX/HZ engine harness etc;
Radiator, shroud and fan;
Hoses;
V8 power steering bracket and 2 row pulley;
V8 speedo cable;
New exhaust;
V8 M20 input shaft a
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 16 September 2008 11:39:39 PM(UTC)
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Here's what you'll need:

Complete 253 or 308 out of a HX, HZ or WB with alternator bracket and HX/HZ engine harness etc;
Radiator, shroud and fan;
Hoses;
V8 power steering bracket and 2 row pulley;
V8 speedo cable;
New exhaust;
V8 M20 input shaft
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 17 September 2008 1:54:03 AM(UTC)
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Thanks guys
So it's bit more than a weekend job... thats cool, i'm not sure how keen i am on modifying the gearbox and the wiring loom... so if i was to remove the old 202 and clean everything up for the transplant how much would it cost to get someone t
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 17 September 2008 1:54:03 AM(UTC)
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Thanks guys
So its bit more than a weekend job... thats cool, im not sure how keen i am on modifying the gearbox and the wiring loom... so if i was to remove the old 202 and clean everything up for the transplant how much would it cost to get someone to
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 17 September 2008 2:11:20 AM(UTC)
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The loom is just unplug one and plug in the other at the firewall. You should be able to use the existing oil and temp senders from the 202.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, 17 September 2008 5:18:08 AM(UTC)
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It is actually an easy job IF you pull it all out and get a gearbox shop to rebuild the box as a V8 box. If you get a V8 diff and tailshaft ready it is all pretty much plug and play if you have all the right parts. Or you could put it back together with t
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, 17 September 2008 6:19:11 AM(UTC)
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hey Byron why does he need to change speedo cable, both M20
boxes, if he changes diff ratio then need to change speedo
drive,
also the throtle lingage is diff
the wiring loom only needs the temp and oil wires lengthened
I have just done 6cyl to V8 co
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 17 September 2008 3:51:05 PM(UTC)
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Sorry my fup - I meant accelerator cable.

I disagree on the box. You'd have to put a kit through any secondhand aussie 4spd you buy nowadays so it makes no difference. Unless you were buying an exchange or already built box.

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Sorry my fup - I meant accelerator cable.

I disagree on the box. Youd have to put a kit through any secondhand aussie 4spd you buy nowadays so it makes no difference. Unless you were buying an exchange or already built box.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 17 September 2008 6:50:09 PM(UTC)
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Cool well that all sounds good...
Price roughly for a 4sp rebuild? Also i found a 253 with a trimatic pattern that'll bolt on to my aussie 4sp right? and if i called up a few wreckers will i find all the other stuff? loom, front springs, radiator, hoses
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Cool well that all sounds good...
Price roughly for a 4sp rebuild? Also i found a 253 with a trimatic pattern thatll bolt on to my aussie 4sp right? and if i called up a few wreckers will i find all the other stuff? loom, front springs, radiator, hoses.
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Try to buy a complete running engine out of a HX or HZ (all 253 are trimatic pattern). By complete I mean everything from radiator to bellhousing, aircleaner, fan, harness etc. It may be cheaper to buy a complete rusty car and transfer it all across. You

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#18 Posted : Thursday, 18 September 2008 6:29:03 AM(UTC)
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all 253 are trimatic pattern....??

I think Holden made a few turbo pattern 253's .......and maybe just not for Bedford....?
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all 253 are trimatic pattern....??

I think Holden made a few turbo pattern 253s .......and maybe just not for Bedford....?
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Yes they made them in TH pattern for Bedfords but you won't find one of those. I've been researching Holden V8 prefixes for 20 years and looked at thousands of the damn things and never seen a BS prefix engine. Plus they are blue engines, not red. As far
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