just reading the latest monaro magic book by norm darwin the hk monaro production numbers that are listed on page 17 read

based on hk coupe bodies made that account for 7.87% below ben stewart and warren turnball estimate

monaro 161 = 1,473 made

monaro 186 = 4027 made

monaro gts 186s = 8317 made

monaro gts 307 = 628 made

monaro gts 327 = 1192 made

grand total monaros made = 15,637

wow 628 gts 307 made didnt relise the production numbers for the gts 307 were so low but we are always learning about these cars

I agree. I would have thought that there were more GTS 307s built than GTS 327s.

Ive personally owned 3 of them & on the Sydney used car market in the late 70s/early 80s they were far more prevalent than GTS 327s. Many were converted to look-a-like GTS 327s.

It might have been a long bow to draw to accept that just because 7.87% of HKs were 307s then it follows that 7.87% of Monaro GTSs would therefore be 307s. I would have thought that a 307 V8 would be a more common option (percentage-wise) in a Monaro GTS than in say a Kingswood sedan or a Belmont van.

I think it equally erroneous to accept that 7.87% of Monaros had a 161 engine. Surely these would be more common (percentage-wise) in Belmonts, especially utes & vans. Anecdotally most of the HK 307s that Ive ever seen would have been Broughams, GTS & Premiers, a 307 Kingswood was not common & a 307 Belmont was ultra-rare.

BTW, those figures dont mention base Monaros with the 307 option, I knew of at least 2 of these.

Dr Terry

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Doc, I also noticed the lack of 307 Monaro. I know of two as well.

DA, that burgundy Maroon L30 M21 GTS you had - did it have 18Y trim and have HG tail-lights and backend added at some stage?

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I meant 307 Monaro, not GTS.

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well guys those numbers are from ben stewart and warren turnball so i dont know whats going on and how many 307 4 speeds were produced as they seem to be a lot harder to find than a 327

I have given this some more thought and have concluded that the 15837 figure is also wrong.

The reason I believed the 8317 figure to be wrong was the when I was building my car the wreckers were full of HKs but no where near as many HT and HG. The HT and G though would be more wrecked by individuals who wanted to put all the gear into their Vans at the time, but still I believed the proportion of HKs was way to high in the wreckers for there to be 8317 HKs and 14437 HTs. Hence the belief that Norms figure was right.

However I re thought this for the following reasons:

1) HK was on sale for 11 months and HT for 13 months.

2) We know that when a personal car comes out that there is high demand at first and then tapers off, rego figures for Monaro in 2002 and 2003 are good examples, 3245 and 2210. These figures are from Holden.

3) We know that Sydney numbered their cars, they made Approximately 470 GTS327s, 4400 GTS, 2500 Monaro, in HT they made 210 350s, 2400 GTS (V8 and 6) and not enough data on Monaro at the end of production.

So as you can see Sydney made almost twice as many HKs as HTs. There were times when the 327 and 350 was not available, so these should not be used, but the GTS figure is testimant to the fact that there should be far more HKs than HT.

4) As an organiser at 4 of the last 5 nationals the largest participanting models were HK and HQ, I organised the parking spaces for them and know this as a fact. In fact there are about as many HKs as HT and G combined. HQ is high due to the large number of sedans in there.

So from this data, I would suggest the figure for HK should be more like 20,000 HK Monaro. Or the HT figure is too high. Either way I would suggest we (Norm, Ben and myself) are wrong on some figures.

Warren

(note: I am using some old Monaro register data, but it all goes to the last months of production)

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