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#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:19:17 AM(UTC)
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Hi there I am buying my son a car and would appreciate some feedback. 1998 VT Berlina sedan, has 177,000kms, 4x new tyres with 17" rims. the car was neat/clean & drove well. The asking price is $3900 without a roadworthy (it will definately need a new windscreen. I am not very car savy. Thanks
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:03:23 AM(UTC)
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It would be wise to only buy a roadworthy and registered vehicle, that has had an RACV, NMRA or similar inspection done on it. The money spent on the inspection could be a very good way to minimise the possibility of buying a dud. For about $200 you will also get a 30 day mechanical guarantee if you are a member.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:09:23 AM(UTC)
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Thanks peter. So should I ask for a roadworthy or not persist with this one?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:55:47 AM(UTC)
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in your situation id definatly ask for a road worthie, if they dont want to with a legitimate enough reason then ask to borrow the car for 2 hours and get one done yourself, costs 60 or 70 bucks but it is a good gaurantee
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:35:17 PM(UTC)
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Sorry to be a nark, if this is his first car I'd be thinking it might have too much grunt.

Yes, I know VT's are cool and a must have for every testosterone fuelled teenage boy, I just hope for your sake that he is paying for it.

As the father of 7 now adult children I've seen it all before, you buy them a car they will trash it because they know you will pay to fix it, when they have to pay for it themselves they will look after it because they don't like spending their own money on anything but themselves.

OK, guess I'm a nark, lol.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:17:35 AM(UTC)
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I had to mow laws at $10 each to make up the $400 to buy my EH in 1988, and then mow more and spent about another $800 fixing and getting registered by 1991. I still have that car.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:47:16 AM(UTC)
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if you like the car then offer the seller $4000 WITH a roadworthy, if the seller is confident it's a good car then they'll have no problem with this, if they know it's crap they'll say no way
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#8 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:33:54 AM(UTC)
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I just paid $800 for a 94 VR wagon that has a bad leak from the power steering, and needs tidying.
even if I paid for the steering to be fixed it would cost about $500.
but we don't have roadworthies in WA.
go to Gumtree and see what the values in your area are.
And yes this car will kill you if you aren't careful, the motor has every bit much as power as the average V8.
buy him a hyundai or swift.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:19:32 AM(UTC)
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I disagree.

Putting a kid in a Hyundai or a Swift from the same price bracket, and you're far worse off in an accident.

The VT has a standard driver's airbag, and most have ABS as well. They also have a lot more metal around the driver than either of those 2 cars, and the occupants would be much safer in a crash.

The VT is much slower than a VS - they got a lot heavier, so the power isn't that catastrophic, and if he ends up doing burnouts in it, the IRS makes it harder to do in the first place, and easier to control when things do get out of hand.

Teach him to respect the power by making him financially responsible for keeping the car on the road. Repairing broken bits & paying for tyres will soon slow him down.
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#10 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 12:05:44 AM(UTC)
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What Mick said. Just because a Hyundai has half the power doesn't mean his chances of crashing it halve as well. The financial resposibility is the big one. If you have to, buy him the car but make sure he knows that this is the only one. Any damage done to it is his responsibility.

Plenty of workshops will perform a pre purchase check for you. The benefit of the VT is that there are plenty of spares around so even a major problem doesn't cost you twice what the car is worth to fix.
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#11 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 1:44:26 AM(UTC)
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The benefit of the VT is that there are plenty of spares around so even a major problem doesn't cost you twice what the car is worth to fix.

Bravo !! Why can't I get my clients to think like that.

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#12 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 4:32:29 AM(UTC)
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defintely don't buy without full rego and roadworthy. that way any hassles are not yours.
And I agree the Commodore stuff is cheap and easily available new or used and most mechanics have half an idea how to fix them.
blow a head gasket on a hyundai/swift/mazda/mitsubishi and it will cost nearly as much as the car, but the same could be said for the Commodore.
However I do concede the commodore will always have some resale value. as for safety the size only matters if you hit a smaller car. if you hit a road train or power pole/tree the results will be much the same.
Running costs for petrol on the commodore are not that bad. I just did a round trip of about 550k in the VR at 100kmh (gotta love cruise control first time I've had one that actually works) and used about 47 litres. My Subaru and Kia both use at least 60 litres.
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blow a head gasket on a hyundai/swift/mazda/mitsubishi and it will cost nearly as much as the car, but the same could be said for the Commodore.

True johnperth, but while I see blown head gaskets on 4-cylinder engines on a daily basis, when was the last time you saw a blown head gasket on a Commodore VN-VY V6 ?

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#14 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 10:48:44 PM(UTC)
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most of the time the inlet manifold let water into the end cylinders on the early one, and vt on water can leak into any intake port, and as dr said the head gaskets are tough in the twenty years i have been doing it i have seen one vp v6 blew a piece of the head gasket out near the spark plug, thay are a tough reliable engine, they are noisy and leak oil like a seive.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:47:42 AM(UTC)
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I think a few people are getting off track here, mom-of-teen asked for feedback on the VT that she was looking at buying for her son, not what do you think about the power of the VT and how safe my son is going to be etc. Every young bloke wants a nice car, wether they thrash it or look after it is another thing. Cars no matter how powerful aren't dangerous, people are dangerous.
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#16 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 3:36:04 AM(UTC)
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A VT is a reasonable car for a first car. They can cost between $1000 and $10,000 to buy depending heavily on mechanical and body condition. !2 months registration and a roadworthy will usually add $1000 to the price. It is what needs to be done to get the roadworthy that is unknown without a mechanical report.
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#17 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 4:01:52 AM(UTC)
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hows peripheral vision in a Vt compared to say, vr/vs?

For a first car, i think its important to make sure its "easy" for a young driver to be aware of there surroundings while sitting inclined at 30 degrees with their hat on backwards, appropriate young people music well above speaker clipping levels and 16 friends jammed in every available cubic foot of space while doing blockies of the main street looking for women to harass and hanging out at mcdonalds carparks admiring the latest in rear windscreen stickers.

The first part of this post is actually serious, the rest, well you can make up your own minds lol.

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#18 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 6:37:43 PM(UTC)
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A VT Berlina in good nick should last him a few years if he doesn`t thrash it with his mates showing off(most young guys do).
As a Vt owner they are robust and reasonable on fuel and general servicing can be done at home , 177,000ks is good, mine has 243,000ks and still goes pretty good.
Make sure the air con works climate control can be a little pricey to fix and leaks in the a/c system will cost $ also. I had 2 leaks in the main pipe from firewall to radiator the complete job was about $400 but worth it now blows at -4C.
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