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G'day, I am removing my cross member, wishbones & stone guards to replace the springs, shocks & bushes on my HT's front end. While I have these parts out I thought I would clean and paint them but can't decide whether to have them powder coated or painted in 2 pac. My car is a street car (drive her everyday), not a show car. Would appreciate everyone giving me your feedback regarding the pro's, con's or tips regarding powder coating v's 2 pac to help me make a more informed choice of the best way to go. Edited by user Thursday, 8 March 2012 7:33:24 PM(UTC)
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G'day,
I have decided to elaborate on my initial post as I have noticed a few people are reading the post but have yet to post any info.
Does anyone know of anybody who has had their cross member or wishbones powder coated? The reason I ask is that I have found out that powder coating can be a couple of mm thick and this can make it almost impossible to put the bushes etc into their respective holes and I am wondering how they overcame this problem? I understand that the holes in question can be taped up so that this doesn't become a problem but wouldn't that leave the metal exposed within these holes to rust etc. Any info you have would be of great help. |
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I'd just use a satin finish black paint. They get pretty much blasted and you can touch them up easier. |
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I spoke to the guy at my local automotive paint supplier and he said not to waste my time with a spray can paint as they are what he called a lacquer paint and would not last. He said the way to go would be 2 Pac. He said that if I was really keen to do the job myself and didn't have a compressor and spray gun, then a heat proof paint from a spray can would be the best option but he reckons the cost of doing this would not be a lot cheaper than 2 pac.
A mate of mine who has a HG recently had his cross member, wishbones & stone guards sand blasted and he then painted it himself which came to a total cost of $210. I have received 2 quotes from powder coating places, one for $265 and another for $250 which is not a lot more than the doing it yourself option. |
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Of all the finishes available for suspension components, I believe than powder coating & 2 pack paint are the worst choices.
They are both very brittle & not suited to an under body environment. You've got to think about stone chips etc. If it's a showcar that won't see normal daily use, sure go ahead, but I think that good old air dry enamel (the factory preference) or acrylic lacquer are much better options.
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I used POR15 on my EH van but for next project, its just GMH black.
I wouldnt recommend POR15 for the xmbr contrary to what they advertise.
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I used por15 on all my front end suspension and steering components on my HQ Monaro. I also used it on my crossmember. Car will be used a couple times a month. tranx, I would be interested in why you wouldn't use it on a crossmember. Cheers
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Powder coat can be flapper wheeled (Sander) out of the bush holes and all threaded holes tapped after the job is done. This prevents any ugly edges being left when they tape the holes up. Powder coat will fade and can crack allowing moisture to get between it and the steel causing rust. Powder coat like 2 Pac will chip and is hard to touch up if this bothers you. For a show car not being regularly used either would be fine with powder coat being the better option if you don't have the facilities to do the painting yourself as most jobs are usually pretty consistent with the results where as with painters you get what you pay for and there are painters and there are painters. Personally after having been down both roads with front ends and chassis and I have to agree with an will probably go the straight enamel air dry GMH black on my next project which is the rails and front end on my WB next week, it looks as it should, factory and standard but I do want to look at that pors stuff that is mentioned because it also sounds good. Edited by user Monday, 19 March 2012 4:44:42 AM(UTC)
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I really don't know if I can help here, however I think the 2 PAC is much more brittle than any of the others paints named. I must admit I have never thought of powder coat as brittle. Maybe this could be an option for you if you do some research to confirm you could go this way. Have your parts stripped, then electroplated. Then gmh black. This will stop the rust as you have a sacrificial coating.
You do need to be aware there is such a thing as stress corrosion, however I think it only happens with high tensile items. Can't really see those parts being high tensile but ask an expert if you go down this route. Good luck!
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I spoke to my local car restoration business and they get all their cars (street and show cars) under parts powder coated and they have never had any problems, they told me that powder coat is tougher than any other method whether it be 2pac, GMH black or por15 and heaps cheaper. You will also notice that springs and shocks are powder coated. So in saying that I have gotten quotes for both powder coat & 2pac and the average price to have the cross member, wishbones & stone guards powder coated was $150 - $250 (this includes sandblasting back to bare metal, primed & powder coat) while the average price for 2pac was $400 - $600. |
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For sure powder will be cheaper, also I know when we had our gates done we had a rust proofing treatment done prior to powder being aplied. As I said I never thought of powder as brittle and I certainly wouldn't pay for two PAC. Remember that powder is a electrostatic and will get into nooks and cranny pretty well and evenly. It does however get effected quite badly by petrol and I would suspect oil and grease.
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Remember there are powder coaters and there are powder coaters. A good powder coat job is tough and is resistant to bashes and chips but over the years of having bike frames and bits done I have stopped using it as it doesn't matter what coaters I use the jobs are always s***, sometimes really peely finishes and brittle. I can get better results painting them myself
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That's why I don't use anyone unless they have been recommended by someone that has had work done by them. I was given the name of a local powder coater, highly recommended by the car restoration mob mentioned in my earlier post, they use him all the time. I would never have found him other wise, he is not listed in the telephone directory, he gets all his work by word of mouth. |
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Mate for a daily driver go for what Dr terry and HK1837 are saying unless it a show car or a trailer queen.
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quote: Originally posted by tripple webers
Mate for a daily driver go for what Dr terry and HK1837 are saying unless it a show car or a trailer queen.
I agree. Another point to consider, 2 pac systems & powder coating....spot repairs or touch ups look crap. I had the front end on the car below sand blasted & powder coated. It has done many miles over the 25+ years on the road. The powder coating lasted well for about 5 or so years, then progressively deteriorated. I will paint it next time. Something else to consider, it will never look any better than the day you put it together, particularly if you intend to actually drive it on a daily basis. Paint it in acrylic or air dry enamel & take photos as you go. Try to keep it clean....best of luck with that. |
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I am in the process of redoing my front end too. Dr Terry you say the factory used "air dry enamel" for underbody. What did they use for the actual subframe? I want the paint to all look the same and was going to paint it all 2 pack but after reading all this am having second thoughts. I have never used enamel before - is there any "tricks" to using it? Cheers. |
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Thanx Utility8, I've been waiting for someone who has actually had their car powder coated to weigh into the conversation, first hand knowledge goes a long way. So far the boys at the restoration shed have provided most of the input into this topic for me, but I wonder how many cars they've actually seen a few years down the road.
Alex, I am also keen to hear more on the process involved in "Air dry enamel" as well. This is the first time I have ever pulled a cross member & wishbones out of a car to restore it and I want it to last. |
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Just been doing a bit of research into "Air dry enamel" and I came across the following information on a web site of a company that make's and sell's "Air dry enamel".
"As the paint is bituminous, it should not be used where over painting with light colours required or where exposed to continuous contact with oil and petrol." |
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That would make sense, that's why engines are also painted in the enamel. Lucky I read this, I was ready to go down the 2K path...
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