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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 9 October 2012 8:31:18 AM(UTC)
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Hi, some of you may remember a while ago I was asking about advice on fitting an RB20DET to my kingswood. You'll be glad to know that I gave in to common sense and good taste. I am now buying a tatty 98 vt SS with a 5 litre V8 and I'm going to fit that instead.

I have read a few posts about the difficulty of the electrics but I have a plan. I intend to basically move everything I can from the SS to the kingswood. Ie engine, gearbox, loom, injection system, computer, aircon, ignition barrel and key, gauges and instruments. Even the immobiliser. The only thing I know I definitely will need extra is the fuel pump. I understand the VN fuel tank fits with the pump included.

Has anyone done it this way and are there any pitfalls that I should be wary of?

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 10 October 2012 9:57:57 PM(UTC)
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VT are substatially harder than VN-VS. What box were you using again?
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 11 October 2012 3:00:35 AM(UTC)
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Hi, well i haven't picked up the donor car yet so I don't know the full specs except it is a 98 VT SS Auto. I was planning t fit the auto at first then change to manual (probably with a Supra 'box) once everything was working. Is there an issue fitting the 'box in the tunnel?

Why are VTs harder. I can understand if you are talking about things like the imobiliser and computer ect but if I swap everything including the computer/ loom/ immobiliser/ etc, wouldn't that solve most issues?
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#4 Posted : Thursday, 11 October 2012 7:49:24 AM(UTC)
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Auto will fit OK. I'd just leave it, manuals are a waste of time nowadays as autos are so good.

VT (and VSIII) sequential engines have more stuff on them to connect like twin O2 sensors, and the ECU is bigger. Basically more wiring and buggerising around especially the speedo connection as the later boxes like a VT will have don't have a speedo cable drive on them. So you may have to change the end of the 4L60E to one of these (not sure if this works): http://www.ebay.com/itm/...=item2a236c00d5&vxp=mtr or buy one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/...=item35c0774660&vxp=mtr

Immobiliser etc can all be switched off when you get a Memcal change, which you'll probably have to do to get the speed sensor pulses right.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, 11 October 2012 6:37:00 PM(UTC)
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Well we are going to have to agree to disagree on the auto/manual debate. I don't think anything compares to the feeling of driving a manual. But anyway thats for the future.

Excellent advice though. I'll look at getting the tail shaft.

As for the speedo etc, I am still thinking that if I keep the speedo (at least until the car is all working) and somehow fit it into the dash and the same with all the ignition wiring, I am hoping it will be more like just putting a new body onto the VT. I'm keen to find out. It will be awesome if I can get the mod cons (relatively speaking of course) into a classic body.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, 11 October 2012 6:47:42 PM(UTC)
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I think too much is being made of how 'difficult' it is to fit a VR/VS/VT V8 versus a VN/VP V8.

Let's list the pros & cons. I'll limit discussion to autos, I agree with Byron why would you bother with a manual trans in 2012 ?

VN/VG/VQ/VP V8s are only simpler in 2 areas. They have a mechanical speedo drive & no immobiliser.

With a mechanical speedo drive you can still run your old speedo cable & just splice a speed sensor into the cable or use a T-piece at the gearbox & use both the VN sensor & your old cable. Either system works OK but the T-pieces are a bit expensive & you still need to convert the speedo signal, so the inline sensor is my choice for simplicity.

With VR/VS/VT V8s, the simple way around the immobiliser is to have the mem-cal reprogrammed. This eliminates the need for any of the dash wiring & body control module, making the wiring as simple as the VN. Speedo is fiddly though, you either need an electronic speedo head or a electro-mechanical converter like this one already suggested (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cable-X-3012-Cable-X-30-Electronic-VSS-To-Mechanical-Speedometer-Drive-GM-/230862308960).

The VR/VS/VT ECUs are all the same (larger) size, but they're not big enough to cause any problems. Yes, the VT uses 2 oxygen sensors, but all of that is already included in the engine wiring harness which you are using in its complete form any way, so they're not an issue at all.

I think overall you are better to use a later model V8 for 2 reasons. Firstly, they are younger & will have done less work so are in much better condition, you can bolt them straight in without the need of an overhaul. Also the l find the the later 4L60-E autos drive much better & again will be younger & in better condition. The VT V8 has a roller cam & sequential injection making this the final & best version of the Holden 5.0 V8, why not go the extra & use one of these.

The amount of work (read wiring & plumbing) in fitting an EFI V8 will be exactly the same regardless of which version you use, so do a little homework before you begin.

I've done several of these so I can give you some pointers.

1. Use the complete V8 engine harness, do not cut one single wire. Use the harness connectors from the donor car to make any terminations.
2. Put the battery on the driver's side of the engine bay & fit the complete fusebox from the Commodore & just delete the fuses & relays not required. This allows you to fit the factory air cleaner box to its regular position.
3. Fit the Commodore tank to the Kingswood & get a pro to alter the filler tube & other fittings as required. This means you use the factory internal EFI pump & swirl pot & don't need external surge tank etc. Simple & quiet !!
4. Keep the Kingwood's interior stock, don't bother using any Commodore dash parts etc. (Why are you bothering with "aircon, ignition barrel and key, gauges and instruments" you are creating a lot of extra work for yourself ?)

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