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#1 Posted : Thursday, 12 October 2023 9:04:08 PM(UTC)
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G'day to you all.
This is my first post here after having a look around.
I was actually searching around for information on the Broughmaro show car and the only link in search brought me here.
Besides that, I thought I should drop a question about my HK Brougham that I have always wondered about. [img]null[/img]
My car has the factory fitted buckets and console shifter, and I wondered if anyone knew how many cars had this option.
I've never seen another one in the flesh or in a magazine so I was curious.
The car is also optioned as a vinyl roof delete and has the Fridgidaire air-con.
Other than that, it has the LSD diff, full instrument dash with green tint and push button radio.
The paint is Tennison Turquoise but was close door resprayed in the HK sky blue before I bought the car in 1997.
I'm the second owner, the original guy traded it in on a new Camry.
It'd be great to hear from anyone that can help.
Cheers.
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I doubt you'll ever find a breakdown of options on HK, there is simply so many options. Both bucket seats and console shift were options on HK Brougham, and aircon was too. There wasn't a huge amount more options compared to other HK but even so to find all three on a car is always going to be rarer than none of them or one of them. As you'd guess you'll always get bucket seats with console shift so those two always come together but lots of cars with bucket seats with column shift.
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I doubt you'll ever find a breakdown of options on HK, there is simply so many options. Both bucket seats and console shift were options on HK Brougham, and aircon was too. There wasn't a huge amount more options compared to other HK but even so to find all three on a car is always going to be rarer than none of them or one of them. As you'd guess you'll always get bucket seats with console shift so those two always come together but lots of cars with bucket seats with column shift.


Thanks for the reply.
So you've seen a lot of Brougham's with the reclining bucket seats, or are you referring to HK's in general which would include the fixed bucket seat type?
I have Norm Darwin's Story of HK HT HG Holdens book, and read a few times in the reproduced brochures in there, that the reclining buckets came with the console option.
That's what got me thinking about how many there were.
I'm not trying to work out how much value it adds, I just always thought it was a cool point of difference.
Thanks for the help.
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Originally Posted by: HK Brougham 400 Go to Quoted Post
G'day to you all.
This is my first post here after having a look around.
I was actually searching around for information on the Broughmaro show car and the only link in search brought me here.
Besides that, I thought I should drop a question about my HK Brougham that I have always wondered about. [img]null[/img]
My car has the factory fitted buckets and console shifter, and I wondered if anyone knew how many cars had this option.
I've never seen another one in the flesh or in a magazine so I was curious.
The car is also optioned as a vinyl roof delete and has the Fridgidaire air-con.
Other than that, it has the LSD diff, full instrument dash with green tint and push button radio.
The paint is Tennison Turquoise but was close door resprayed in the HK sky blue before I bought the car in 1997.
I'm the second owner, the original guy traded it in on a new Camry.
It'd be great to hear from anyone that can help.
Cheers.


Hi Rusty. What information do you want to know about the Broughmaro? I was the first to identify it when it was offered for sale back in 2014. I was even told about the "rusty Brougham with GTS parts" on several occasions back when I was a dismantler but made the huge mistake of never following up and it was local to me too. It ended up in the wrong hands and was listed on eBay. Although that individual, did make contact with me and made the right decision to keep and save it. By then I had gathered enough information to identify it was something unusual and rare. It could have ended up in worse hands though as there is a well known HKTG wrecker in Victoria that would have raped and pillaged it into nonexistence, and it would have been lost forever. Fortunately, in 2023 it is in the right hands and is quietly stored away for hopefully a restoration one day. I have a lot of images and information. Many people that were high up in GMH back in the day have been asked about it but not much more information has come to light. I was always hoping for a nice clear image of it on the turntable or at the Styling Department. Most images I have are of it at Motor Shows back in the day and the photos are grainy and low resolution. It will be a $100k+ restoration to bring it to it's former glory. I can see it now, on display at car shows etc and everyone saying "WTF is a Broughmaro? I've never heard of it". The only reference to the Broughmaro that can be found is a very basic one sentence blurb in a 1970/71 Motor Show leaflet. Even then it is incorrectly referred to as a 350 which was not the case.

As for your HK Brougham, not many were optioned with M11 floor shift console. XS6 Reclining Buckets seats were the only bucket seat option in Brougham and were more commonly combined with the D55 short console and column shift when ordered. I don't have access to a breakdown of the total number of specific options when ordered in HK but I do for HT and HG. Only around 1000 vehicles for the entire model run, not just Brougham for each model HT HG were optioned with M11. These figures do not include GTS models as they were all standard with M11 floor shift. I have some photos of loaded HK Broughams. One in particular resides here in SA. It has fast glass as well. I don't know how to post photos up here but if you get in contact with me I can email them to you. I only yesterday posted a photo of it on my Facebook Business Page The HKTG Garage so you can see it there.

The G92 Limited slip diff was standard in all HK81469 and the UC2 instrument dash was optional acroos the HK range except GTS. Around 600 odd V8 HT's were optioned with C64 Air Conditioning and around 1000 in HG so once again you can use those figures to give you an idea.

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G'day to you all.
This is my first post here after having a look around.
I was actually searching around for information on the Broughmaro show car and the only link in search brought me here.
Besides that, I thought I should drop a question about my HK Brougham that I have always wondered about. [img]null[/img]
My car has the factory fitted buckets and console shifter, and I wondered if anyone knew how many cars had this option.
I've never seen another one in the flesh or in a magazine so I was curious.
The car is also optioned as a vinyl roof delete and has the Fridgidaire air-con.
Other than that, it has the LSD diff, full instrument dash with green tint and push button radio.
The paint is Tennison Turquoise but was close door resprayed in the HK sky blue before I bought the car in 1997.
I'm the second owner, the original guy traded it in on a new Camry.
It'd be great to hear from anyone that can help.
Cheers.


Hi Rusty. What information do you want to know about the Broughmaro? I was the first to identify it when it was offered for sale back in 2014. I was even told about the "rusty Brougham with GTS parts" on several occasions back when I was a dismantler but made the huge mistake of never following up and it was local to me too. It ended up in the wrong hands and was listed on eBay. Although that individual, did make contact with me and made the right decision to keep and save it. By then I had gathered enough information to identify it was something unusual and rare. It could have ended up in worse hands though as there is a well known HKTG wrecker in Victoria that would have raped and pillaged it into nonexistence, and it would have been lost forever. Fortunately, in 2023 it is in the right hands and is quietly stored away for hopefully a restoration one day. I have a lot of images and information. Many people that were high up in GMH back in the day have been asked about it but not much more information has come to light. I was always hoping for a nice clear image of it on the turntable or at the Styling Department. Most images I have are of it at Motor Shows back in the day and the photos are grainy and low resolution. It will be a $100k+ restoration to bring it to it's former glory. I can see it now, on display at car shows etc and everyone saying "WTF is a Broughmaro? I've never heard of it". The only reference to the Broughmaro that can be found is a very basic one sentence blurb in a 1970/71 Motor Show leaflet. Even then it is incorrectly referred to as a 350 which was not the case.

As for your HK Brougham, not many were optioned with M11 floor shift console. XS6 Reclining Buckets seats were the only bucket seat option in Brougham and were more commonly combined with the D55 short console and column shift when ordered. I don't have access to a breakdown of the total number of specific options when ordered in HK but I do for HT and HG. Only around 1000 vehicles for the entire model run, not just Brougham for each model HT HG were optioned with M11. These figures do not include GTS models as they were all standard with M11 floor shift. I have some photos of loaded HK Broughams. One in particular resides here in SA. It has fast glass as well. I don't know how to post photos up here but if you get in contact with me I can email them to you. I only yesterday posted a photo of it on my Facebook Business Page The HKTG Garage so you can see it there.

The G92 Limited slip diff was standard in all HK81469 and the UC2 instrument dash was optional acroos the HK range except GTS. Around 600 odd V8 HT's were optioned with C64 Air Conditioning and around 1000 in HG so once again you can use those figures to give you an idea.


Thanks for the info, sounds like you're a good bloke to know :)
You may be the guy I saw sitting in a panel van at the entry to the Adelaide showgrounds last year for the Extreme Auto Expo, after my wife and I finished setting up our Ford Mainline Ute for display in the hall. If it was you then we had a quick chat before we left about a Monaro you helped restore?

Anyhow, the Broughmaro got my attention last night after I saw it referenced in Norm Darwin's book and I did the 'what the hell is that?!' and did a search. I hope whoever has it now has plans to get the resto happening because I would love to see it, as I'm sure a lot of people would.
Probably like a lot of other Brougham owners, I fantasised when I first bought mine in '97 of finding as many GTS parts as I could and turning it into a Brougham GTS. Affording a Monaro was out of the question at the time so the GTS options sounded good, and it would give me something to work towards. I was only 21 at the time and had just started working as a Draftsman so money was tight.
Kids and a house followed in the next 2-5 years so not much happened at all, but I eventually fitted a small block 400, had the powerglide beefed up, and fitted a modified VR Commodore LSD live axle with 3:45 gears. I also removed the original air-con so I could fit a GTS console tacho. At least I got one GTS option in there!!
I tried to buy a GTS steering wheel for years as well, but they were always just out of reach, so I bought one of those real timber Grant steering wheels that had a chequered horn cap on it. Close enough. I recently bought a real GTS wheel that is stored safely until I get back to my Brougham, that has sadly been sitting for over a decade after the 400 (60 thou overbore) started filtering coolant through the combustion chambers. But I have the original 307 still so that will go back in again, as well as the original diff, I guess.

So it sounds like the options are all pretty scarce which is cool, and I would love to see those photos you mentioned.
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I doubt you'll ever find a breakdown of options on HK, there is simply so many options. Both bucket seats and console shift were options on HK Brougham, and aircon was too. There wasn't a huge amount more options compared to other HK but even so to find all three on a car is always going to be rarer than none of them or one of them. As you'd guess you'll always get bucket seats with console shift so those two always come together but lots of cars with bucket seats with column shift.


Thanks for the reply.
So you've seen a lot of Brougham's with the reclining bucket seats, or are you referring to HK's in general which would include the fixed bucket seat type?
I have Norm Darwin's Story of HK HT HG Holdens book, and read a few times in the reproduced brochures in there, that the reclining buckets came with the console option.
That's what got me thinking about how many there were.
I'm not trying to work out how much value it adds, I just always thought it was a cool point of difference.
Thanks for the help.


Yes, seen plenty of HK with bucket seats of both types and a reasonable amount of Brougham. But by far the bulk I have seen with buckets were column shift with the mandatory seat separator.
Note that in HK-HG passenger, buckets ALWAYS came mandatory when console shift was optioned, but buckets when optioned were standard with column shift and seat separator unless the car was also optioned with 4spd manual (or optioned with 308 which was standard with 4spd manual and hence console shift and buckets). The prior sentence excluding early HK before M11 was available. There is also conflicting info in some Belmont/Kingswood sedan/wagon sales brochures about availability of buckets in Belmont yet you could still option a 4spd manual on both 6cyl and V8 models which had to have bucket seats. Even the order forms are somewhat contradictory.

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I just had a better look at the HG order procedure. It looks like you could option M20 on a 6cyl Belmont sedan or wagon but only with a bench seat as buckets were not available. M11 was not available on Belmont either as a result. Also that means that M21 was not optional on a Belmont sedan or wagon as M21 always came with M11 and D55 or XS6. So if you wanted a 308 in a HG (and I assume HT) Belmont it had to be a column shift Trimatic. The V8 models came standard with 253 and 3spd manual or column shift trimatic. This is different to ute and van though as they were always optional with M22 or M21 and there was no M11 available. Rules were made to be broken though, so you'd imagine there would have been a few oddballs made. I remember raiding a HT Kingswood sedan at a local wreckers, it had gold trim on a beige body. It was a 186 M20 with power steering. I bought its console and front guards all of which I still have in the shed. The seats were D55 fixed back.
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I just had a better look at the HG order procedure. It looks like you could option M20 on a 6cyl Belmont sedan or wagon but only with a bench seat as buckets were not available. M11 was not available on Belmont either as a result. Also that means that M21 was not optional on a Belmont sedan or wagon as M21 always came with M11 and D55 or XS6. So if you wanted a 308 in a HG (and I assume HT) Belmont it had to be a column shift Trimatic. The V8 models came standard with 253 and 3spd manual or column shift trimatic. This is different to ute and van though as they were always optional with M22 or M21 and there was no M11 available. Rules were made to be broken though, so you'd imagine there would have been a few oddballs made. I remember raiding a HT Kingswood sedan at a local wreckers, it had gold trim on a beige body. It was a 186 M20 with power steering. I bought its console and front guards all of which I still have in the shed. The seats were D55 fixed back.



HG? Is that a typo? Only early HK Belmont, Kingswood and Premiers could be ordered with M20 and bench seat and up until the consoles were available at the beginning of the 37's which I'd estimate at around 6/68. There were two types of shift lever, knob and boot all fitted further up the transmission tunnel like in an HR Special with 4 speed. M11 floor shift was available in 135 and 169 for HK HT but N/A in HG. As you mention M21 was not available in 135 or 169 in HT HG but could be ordered in HK. Interestingly the HG Parts Catalogue lists floor shift console for 169 & 135.

Bucket seats were available as an option across the entire HK HT HG range. XS6 recliners were never standard fitment in 37 and an option in all except Belmont models. A50 fixed backs were an optional in all except GTS & Brougham. M22 was dropped for the entire HG range. When A50 bucket seats were optioned in HT HG Belmont models, Kingswood seats were fitted. This is quite interesting, and I've seen this. I own an HT80270 with 12B Trim and it has Belmont door cards in Red and Kingswood seats in Morocco Red. I've also got photos of an HG80270 with 16B Trim. It had Green door cards and Venetian Green Kingswood seats.

"(or optioned with 308 which was standard with 4spd manual and hence console shift and buckets)" 308 wasn't standard in any model other than Brougham so therefore would not have a standard transmission. Both the engine and gearbox were an option although I agree with you that the HG ordering procedure stipulates no M21 for 169 & 135 ordered with 308.

The oddball orders are what keep my juices flowing. They're not really unusual, they're just very uncommon. Not many people seemed to have an imagination back in the day when ordering the cars although they were probably a lot more expensive than the middle of the road six cylinder, bench seat, drum front Kingswood sedan.

I own two HT80270 models. Both are 253. Very low in build volume with less than 150 made. They are one extreme to the other when it comes to options. No. 15A is a special colour/trim variation being Pharoah Gold with Red trim. It was factory optioned with M21 Saginaw 4 speed, A50 Bucket Seats, J52 Disc Brakes, U60 11 Transistor Radio, U21 Sports Dash, D43 Interior Rear Vision Mirror and C42 Deluxe Heater/Demister. No. 83A is quite the basic Belmont. It's Kashmir White and it wasn't even optioned with J52 or D43. Yeah that's right. 253 column manual, windowless with drum front brakes and no interior mirror. That'll be a fun car to drive if I ever get around to restoring it.
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I think you'll find consoles only appeared in HK around the start of volume GTS production which was pretty close to the first week on July 1968. Monaro volume began on 20th June and Brougham on 27th June. I don't think any console shift Monaro or Brougham have been found that were built before GTS production began. The lost of pilots don't list M11 on any Monaro or Brougham, although the GTS pilots built in May and June must have had something.

I hear what you are saying in the first sentence but it reinforces what I was stating about it being confusing. It is quite clear that M20 was available on 6cyl Belmont sedan and it says M11 is mandatory WHEN bucket seats are specified, which implies you could get M20 with a bench. Then in another location it says M11 isn't available on Belmont. Then it says D55 is available on Belmont but not with M11. I think there was similar confusing stuff in the sales brochures. The HG Engineering Technical Specs show 6cyl and M20 was available though, just doesn't state what seats it came with and if it had M11. If it was D55 and M20 what shifter did it have!

Yes, M22 disappears near the HT-HG transition, so no more 6cyl 4spd commercials after late HT. In late March 1971 it became almost impossible to order a 4spd manual outside of GTS. Lots of trim combinations were NLA too as they wrapped up for the end of HG passenger production. Have you ever found a 4spd manual HG commercial after HQ volume production began?

Agree, 308 (or 304) wasn't standard in many places from HT through to even the end of VL. However if it was optioned it came with its standard transmission ie M21 just about anywhere it was optionable from HT right through to VK. The only places it didn't were where auto was already standard, like HJ-HZ Premier, HJ LS etc.

Agree on the oddballs, they interest me more than GTS's today. The reason they are rare is a Retail Order is rare, most cars, possibly as high as 80-85% were built by GMH for sale and these were rarely oddballs. Then a lot that were Retail Order were simply a colour and trim variation. This is why its so rare to even find optional rear axles or a combo of more than an option or two. V8 HT-HQ Belmont commercials are very rare in any combo, it wasn't until Sandman that they seem to accelerate in popularity. You see it on Elizabeth body ID plates vs PSN and chassis number - you'll find 6cyl models close to your two numbered in the many hundreds or even 1000's. I only have two left but they are not really oddballs, just examples of retail order cars. A HK Kingswood sedan in beige with beige trim, but its optioned with 186, JL2 and M15. And a HK Monaro in a CTV colour of Woodsman green with 18X trim, optioned with 186, JL2 and G80 LSD. I unfortunately missed out on a HK Belmont van that was white with black buckets, 186, M21 and LSD. A demo derby bloke beat me there by 10 minutes. I also cut up a HG V8 Kingswood sedan that was M21, D55, M11 and G80. It donated its floor pan to repair a V8 manual GTS with a rusty floor, and its pink tailshaft is in my early 307 auto banjo HK GTS. It too was rescued from a demo derby.
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That was a big rabbit hole, thanks fellas.
I love the oddball stuff too as they're something my dad always loved to talk about.
He had a HG Premier with 253 and 3 speed column shift that he thought was unusual.
He swapped in a trimatic to make it easier for mum to drive though.
That Prem was like a blue/green, what would that have been?
Dad called it aqua....
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Driveline wise that is a standard HG V8 Premier, unless it had a diff other than 3.08 or had LSD.

There was a Mediterranean Blue and Electra Blue
Tunisian Turquoise was added to HG in April 1971 but only on Premier sedan (not wagon).
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Agree on the oddballs, they interest me more than GTS's today. The reason they are rare is a Retail Order is rare, most cars, possibly as high as 80-85% were built by GMH for sale and these were rarely oddballs. Then a lot that were Retail Order were simply a colour and trim variation. This is why its so rare to even find optional rear axles or a combo of more than an option or two. V8 HT-HQ Belmont commercials are very rare in any combo, it wasn't until Sandman that they seem to accelerate in popularity. You see it on Elizabeth body ID plates vs PSN and chassis number - you'll find 6cyl models close to your two numbered in the many hundreds or even 1000's. I only have two left but they are not really oddballs, just examples of retail order cars. A HK Kingswood sedan in beige with beige trim, but its optioned with 186, JL2 and M15. And a HK Monaro in a CTV colour of Woodsman green with 18X trim, optioned with 186, JL2 and G80 LSD. I unfortunately missed out on a HK Belmont van that was white with black buckets, 186, M21 and LSD. A demo derby bloke beat me there by 10 minutes. I also cut up a HG V8 Kingswood sedan that was M21, D55, M11 and G80. It donated its floor pan to repair a V8 manual GTS with a rusty floor, and its pink tailshaft is in my early 307 auto banjo HK GTS. It too was rescued from a demo derby.


Byron what is Production Code JL2? You mention it a couple of times, Disc Brakes? I could only find J52 for Disc Brake option. I haven't seen a Woodsman Green Monaro before. Why is it a CTV when the colour combo with 18 rim is standard in in the HK range?

That's interesting information about the low percentage of retail orders. I have two heavily optioned Elizabeth built HT's. One of them is a Kingswood sedan and is definitely a retail order as I purchased it from the original owner with books and keys. He was a Woodville GMH employee. It's been parked since 82. It was optioned from factory with L20 186, M20 Opel four speed with M11 console shift, XS6 Recliners, U63 Push Button Radio, U21 Instrument Cluster, J52 Disc Brakes, C42 Deluxe Heater/Demister, D31 Day/Night Mirror, N66 6" Rims and B30 Floor Carpet.
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Sorry, my bad. JL2 is disc brakes in HQ-HZ, I was using that code, that is what happens when you rely upon your memory of such things too much! It was J52 in HK-HG, my bad. I think they changed the code as they changed to single piston, as in HQ it is called "front wheel disc brakes - single piston" and in HK-HG it is just "front wheel disc brakes".

Woodsman Green wasn't a standard HK Monaro colour chart colour, so it was a special order or possibly a fleet order hence a Colour/Trim Variation. I have seen three of them. But it was also LSD which is unlikely to be a Stock Order. but that is common in Retail Order cars when you can get a few abnormal options mixed together.

GMH started out in HK trying to allow people to build a "custom" Holden, and reckoned they could do it in a short time frame from order to delivery ( I think it was 4 weeks). But that was almost an impossibility. So more and more they started to predict what would sell and built most of their cars as Stock Order. There was even manuals and training on "how to sell from stock". It is one of the reasons why the Nasco aircon kits were made, so not having aircon wouldn't stop a sale from stock. Many people thought they were "ordering a car" and getting it in a short timeframe, but what was happening was dealers sold from Dealer Stock, Dealer Swap, Plant Stock or off the schedule (as in off cars in the production schedule). Huge amounts of GMH cars especially HQ onwards were Stock Order.

I have a Retail Order HJ Premier, it was ordered in October 1974 or thereabout, complianced 12/74 and delivered 2/75. It has the following options: L31, U17 dash, buckets, console shift, LSD, groupIII metallic, power steer, integrated A/C, wide wheels (6"), power antenna, heated rear window, power windows.
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Very interesting topic regarding options and stock orders etc. In March 74 I ordered a HQ van from Sturgess Hall in Auburn NSW. 308, 4 Speed LSD, Superlift Shocks, Black Interior, Monaro Mottled Dash, Bucket Seats, Stereo, Clarion?, Sunburst Paint. I've forgotten if I ordered anything else. I originally ticked 350 4 Speed, LSD. The salesman was great to deal with and tried to get it through. After a couple of weeks he called and said 350 was reserved for Monaro and Statesman but I could have 308 4 Speed. It arrived in July. I asked for an NRMA inspection because a mate worked for the panel shop near Sutton's Homebush and he was doing touch ups on a lot of HQ Commercials. Build quality was woeful. 13 faults were listed. They never fixed any of them. Then turned down my finance with GMAC. It was regoed with GXB 354? Where did it go? I saw it about 6 months later and was told the owner bought it from SH as it was back traded because the owner didn't like it! My price was $4,400 regoed and insured and he paid $4,900.
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That would definitely have been a Retail Order, I’m surprised it even got through as at the time GMH were heavily restricting 4spd ute and van as they were flat out building Sandman. I have internal memos stating as much.

Even if they could have pushed it through you would have never got a 350 manual as all those engines and boxes had been exhausted well before the end of 1973, this is why so few manual HQ XW8 were made. After then all 350 powered HQ were automatic.
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Thanks HK. I was 18 at the time. Some of my mates had 308 HQ Vans. They were selling second hand HQ vans for more than a new one in the same spec. The car was registered in my father's name as the salesman brought out the rego papers. It dragged out for two weeks waiting for the faults to be rectified. I put my 25% deposit down and said I would take it anyway because my mate at the panel shop said he would take it in and fix all the paint faults including scratches under the door locks. That's when I was told that my finance was rejected.
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