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Jim5.0 Offline
#1 Posted : Wednesday, 25 March 2009 9:44:05 AM(UTC)
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Is it just me who thinks that crushing a perfectly serviceable car over 10 years old to get 3 grand towards a new one for environmental reasons is a hoodwink?

1/. To build a new car makes as much pollution as driving that car for ten years does at average kilometres.

2/ pollution is measured as a percentage of what comes out of the exhaust not by how much nasties come out in total IE a 50cc 2 stroke motorbike would come out dirty as hell compared to say a brand new Hummer H1 if measured by percent of total gasses coming out BUT total nasties spewing out per kilometre travelled the Hummer would be dirtiest because of how much more fuel and air is going in (cubic feet of exhaust gas coming out) yes that pollution is more diluted but there is probably more of it in total. This is purely an example based on roughly the smallest vehicle available vs roughly the largest.


3/ Crushing a complete car means you can't use it's parts to keep similar vehicle on the road. This means that the surviving vehicles have to have new (and often imported)parts fitted because used ones are not available. This is directly against the "reduce reuse recycle" mantra.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 25 March 2009 10:31:03 AM(UTC)
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here here,
another succinctly crafted argument, jim5.0
obviously the gov/car industry, is trying to force people into new cars, at the cost of the enviroment,
typical gov stupidity,
imo,
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, 25 March 2009 4:45:02 PM(UTC)
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They should only be offering it to people willing to purchase an Aussie made car.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 25 March 2009 10:46:09 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by commodorenut
They should only be offering it to people willing to purchase an Aussie made car.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, 26 March 2009 1:41:20 AM(UTC)
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There is no efn way Im crushing any of my cars to get a new one!
Aussie made or not !
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#6 Posted : Thursday, 26 March 2009 2:52:27 AM(UTC)
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how about instead of paying $3000 to crush old cars, they give the owners $3000 to repair them, then they would be in good condition

the money could be used for things like reconditioning the engine, fitting a catalitic convertor or upgrading brakes, t
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#7 Posted : Thursday, 26 March 2009 7:27:38 PM(UTC)
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There's a very important point you've all missed here.....
Road accidents cost the community big time, so the idea of getting people into new cars is as much about safety as green house gases.

In Japan they don't crush them , but after 5 years the
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#8 Posted : Thursday, 26 March 2009 7:51:20 PM(UTC)
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There's a very important point you've all missed here.....
Road accidents cost the c

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#9 Posted : Friday, 27 March 2009 12:08:06 AM(UTC)
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Better idea would be for car makers to worry about making something decent that people would wanna buy rather than sit around thinking up ways to bribe them to buy their poxy rubbish.
If you take away older cars and you'll lose ten times the jobs, not to
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#10 Posted : Friday, 27 March 2009 12:20:14 AM(UTC)
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Carbon trading hmm yes. My property has enough large trees on it that my household would be carbon negative.

How much is the government going to pay me for absorbing carbon via my property? I think that I know the answer to this one already. I'll prob

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#11 Posted : Friday, 27 March 2009 7:37:23 PM(UTC)
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In the garage I have an XA coupe and a Suzuki Katana under going rebuilds.

On the driveway sits a 99 Hyundai excel and a 96 Toyota Camry which my wife and I use as daily transport,both have about 190000km's on the clock.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 4 April 2009 10:38:36 PM(UTC)
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Hi,

Very interesting talk. Nobody so far works in areas where the real cost of allowing these old bombs to remain in use comes to light. I see the heartbreak resulting from car crashes and the like each and every day. The cars identified are the single
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#13 Posted : Sunday, 5 April 2009 8:17:15 AM(UTC)
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What you say DA is perfectly true however I did mention the "For environmental reasons" being a hoodwink.

I totally agree with the safety issue however annual roadworthy checks would go a long way towards fixing the problems associated with cars of

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#14 Posted : Sunday, 5 April 2009 9:32:36 PM(UTC)
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jim you seem to be impling that vic cars are bad?

we have to get roadwothtys done everytime rego is transfered into a different name, weather it has been sold or rego'd from unreg

but...this means that if you have had a car for along time then it wo

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#15 Posted : Sunday, 5 April 2009 11:14:54 PM(UTC)
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I've seen the same thing at Bendigo swap each year. One particular van I've seen there each year for the past 10+ years, that has so much rust, it's held together with chicken wire & bog, that flexes when the rear & side doors are opened....

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#16 Posted : Monday, 6 April 2009 11:06:21 PM(UTC)
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Maybe we could get together and push for certain vehicles to be heritage listed. As a lobby group we might become a force to be considered, you never know. Well there are lobby groups for everything else. Houses trees, rivers etc, etc When and where do we
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, 7 April 2009 2:49:42 AM(UTC)
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Well 3 grand. i would like to see the details to that!
Sounds like a typical scam for a start.
You don't get nothing for nothing.
Well brown nose Rudd is giving your tax money back now, but most will have to pay it back in the end! really. just you wai
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, 7 April 2009 6:24:21 PM(UTC)
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interesting topic,
there isnt all that many badly unroadworthy cars in aus, too many cops patrolling everywhere, i believe,
i would like to know exactly how many accidents actually happened, because of rwc issues??? .5%,,1%??
if any?? every time i h
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, 7 April 2009 7:56:41 PM(UTC)
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No RWC nessesary in South Australia, Speed limit's 110 KMH and BAC was until recently, .08 (now .05 i think) and their road toll is lower than most.
Northern Territory had unlimited speed limits till not long ago and iirc, they are now set at 140 KMH.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, 7 April 2009 8:25:01 PM(UTC)
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just another way for the government to prop up the automotive industry

don't get me started on the way they have neglected the manafacturing industry, another 70 jobs gone in ballarat today, the stimulas packege will only help retail shops and the chin
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