It is the original Holden as we mainly know it but Holden made other cars before this.

So it's a 48-215 series or even a 50-2106 for the ute in truth.

But this is just the model code and as all types have one so it's a bit weird to call it this as who calls a HR Premier sedan a HR-235 or a 66-HR235 or a 67-HR235 it is correct but as such being not the original, one has to mark it a model type.

The original Falcon GT-HO is not called a Phase one is it, as it's just a GT-HO.

The FX is best known way of pointing out what it is and most people know what you are on about or maybe truly it's called the "original Holden F series model" or a F-X more so than an FX.
No one could reject that's it's not an F series, could they.

Even tho the XW GT-HO is just that, there is another different one to the original Windsor powered one as there is the Cleveland powered XW GT-HO with only a 351 Cleveland GT engine in it, but then there is the XW GT-HO Phase 2, with much more difference to the others.
So then there is a XW GT-HO is one beast.
Then the XW GT-HO Cleveland.
Then the XW GT-HO Phase 2, to be correct.

The original Holden was not given a model designation, just a year introduction. So all "FX" sedans are 48 model, utes were introduced in 1950 so became a 50 model. No different to a 57 Chev.

As we did not make a new model each year a model code was devised for the FJ on.

This is a number to letter code

0 = A
9 = B
8 = C
7 = D
6 = E
5 = F
4 = G
3 = H
2 = J
1 = K

So a 48 Holden is NOT an F series as F is 5, so an FJ = 52 E series is 1960s.

A 48 Holden would be GC.

back in the day though they were know by year of manufacture, so all the ads in the 50s have 48 Holden, 49 Holden, 50 Holden etc then FJ Holden.

The term FX seems to turn up around the mid 70s, and is derived from the "F series myth" and the X is unkown.

Technically it is a 48 Holden, the 215 is the model code. I would not call my wife's car a VT X69, but technically I could.

Mind you it is becoming more 'fashionable" to use option and model codes, HQ XV2 instead of HQ SS, HQ XV4 instead of HQ GTS/4, HQ XW8 instead of HQ GTS 350 sedan.

Warren

Edited by user Tuesday, 5 April 2016 5:35:49 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks for the reply's.

You guys make a lot more sense the crazy theories and silly arguments I have witnessed.

I will continue to call the 48 model the FX despite the abuse I get from some.

Calling it a 48-215 seems to clinical a name.

When we had a FX in the late 1960's, they were known as the FX.

If you were to call it a 48-215 people would of thought you were going mad.

The earliest advertisement using the FX name I have been able to find was by using the Government digital archive (TROVE) and is dated the 12th of June 1965 in the Canberra Times.

I believe several people, more learned than me, have tracked the term FX (in published print) back to the late 50s, in classified adverts etc. One of the reasons was that they used to charge classified adds by the character or line (or whatever). So the aim of a clever advertiser was to economise on space. The term FX was 'cheaper' or more efficient than things like 48/215, 1951 or even 'early Holden sedan'.

AFIAK somebody even found an early girl listed in a 1958/59 motor racing program, as an FX.

By the the late 60s/early 70s the term FX was used in spare parts catalogues in the car trade & was well accepted.

As I said earlier, there is nothing wrong with collectively naming all pre-FJ Holdens as FX.

IMHO it sounds like a generation X (or Y) conspiracy.

Dr Terry

Edited by user Wednesday, 6 April 2016 8:25:47 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Spelling

Motor bikes are the same all over the world and Sep is the start of year date.

Now we have 2 dates on Jap cars as well the build date and the compliance date in Australia I think they are called, my build date is May 2015 and the Aus compliance is Aug 2015.

The '68 Chevrolet and '68 Pontiac that GMH assembled and sold here is a corker for this sort of thing. GMH assembled them from CKD kits as required. IIRC the last of them was finally assembled around 1970. So whilst the driveline might have been built way back in 1967 and came over in the mechanical pack, the body wasn't assembled until say 1970 when it was painted, trimmed and then the vehicle assembled. All parts were still new when it was assembled. So is it still a 1968 Chevrolet Impala? You essentially had the situation where you'd say in 1970 - I just bought a new car! Cool, what is it? A 1968 Chevy. Didn't you just say it was new?

I've also seen a few other corkers with GMH ID plates. Acacia Ridge fitted the BODY and VIN tags prior to paint in 1978. Which meant they had to stamp the VIN plate and attach it to the body in the body plant before it was painted so it was a predictive system unlike Pagewood where the VIN tag went on in the assembly plant. So a HZ might get the VIN 8N70THH459578Z, where the first H means 1978 model (1/9/77 to 31/8/78) . However a slight delay saw the van completed on 1st September and the compliance plate attached says 9/78. So you have a 1978 model VIN plate and a 1979 model compliance - this becomes especially significant if an ADR change happened at that boundary.

The other place you see something similar happen is on 1970-1971 HG vans. Pagewood and Dandenong didn't build these, but only assembled them. The bodies were built and painted at Elizabeth, and got Elizabeth BODY and ADR tags plus an Elizabeth chassis number on the firewall. The bodies were shipped by train to the assembly plants. It is rare, but possible for one to be complianced 7/70 or 8/70 but get delayed and not be assembled until September or even October 1970. The VIN plate from Pagewood or Dandenong doesn't show the year in this case, but if you went to buy one in say December 1970 - January 1971 (which wouldn't be unusual to get an October build out of plant stock) and you were delivered a 7/70 complianced van you'd be like "the damn thing is near to months old - I want a new one" although it was only 2-3 months old.

Also note that my HJ Premier is complianced 12/74, VIN is consistent for 12/74, ordered 10/74 but not completed until late February 1975. There are a few LS's with similar mechanical options with the same delay. We think they all were held up for some reason, maybe the LSD or U17 dash or something. GMH appears to have purposely complianced the cars 1974, possibly even completed them bar the missing part(s). The reason? AHJ changed to BHJ on 1/1/75 - they'd have to have gone back and changed the tank, the evap stuff, added the vapour lines, added the canister, changed the carby and other stuff if they left them to be complianced in 1/75 or 2/75 which is what normally would have happened at Pagewood - the cars would go through the body plant, and wait as sealed up units then when all the bits were there they'd be assembled and get a compliance plate for the date of assembly.

Possibly Terry, they may have semi-completed them in 1969 and sold them in 1970.

The HZ is a 1978 HZ as you say, but the point is no-one can categorically state that all 1979 model year HZ's have a J in the VIN - examples like this always break the mould.

The last ones are easy I think Warren, VG isn't a VN and V2 is not a VX or a VY. Just as a VU isn't a VX. They can't really be, but common parts are shared. If some common parts make them the same then stretching it further a VK must be a WB (or vice versa). And even closer to the mark a Lexcen must be a VP or whatever it parallels with, or BT-50 is a Ranger or vice versa. When I buy parts for my Mrs' Lexus RX350 the common parts with a Kluger come in Toyota boxes but the RX350 and the Kluger have very different model designations regardless of being a different manufacturer on the surface.

Just had a thought, is the VX as mentioned on parts showing VX coupe the lux level designation? Meaning CV8 coupe as opposed to CV6 coupe? Are the parts in question common to V2, V2II and V2III? Reason I ask is if you are going to call a V2 a VX then a V2II has to be a VY and a V2III has to be a VYII doesn't it?

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Some of that I agree with Terry, but you'll never convince me a V2 is a VX or VY, nor a VG or VQ is a VN. I have the parts catalogues for VN, VP, VG and VQ and those are all different catalogues. GMH made them a different series thus they are a different series. If we are going to lump VG with VN because they look very much alike then we might as well start calling LX Torana LH.

Even though Lexcens are Commodore based i'd still not let them be entered in Commodore judging classes, but the Lexcan would be accepted at Toyota judging. The 2011 RX350 we have shares a lot with a Kluger, but afaik it doesn't share a model code yet common parts come in Toyota boxes. The PX Ranger and the equivalent BT-50 are very much alike - they look different, share lots of common parts and common assembly locations but are different vehicles as you say - however I reckon these two are similar in amount of common parts that a VN and a VG share, and probably very much more in common between them than a VY and a V2II (although the reverse applies with VZ where any VZ probably has less in common with a VZ CV8 than any V2 has with the Commodore stablemate).

I have Spark plugs catalogue with 7963 champion plug with plug gap 1.3mm are the same on the Crewman 5.7L V8 from 8/03 to 7/04 but then a new plug 9204 with gap 1.1mm from 11/04 to 1/06

9204 is the plug that started with the series 2 VY with new ADR laws in 8/03

What was going on between 8/04 and 10/04 with the crewman ?