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#101 Posted : Saturday, 22 October 2016 10:52:05 AM(UTC)
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They are steel, as far as I can recall all the ones I wrecked out were anyway. Headlight surrounds are plastic.


The early WB ute p van and 1 tonne were pressed steel but coloured to look plastic, so the last steel would of ended in 1980.

And the first plastic was the HB S2 Torana 1968
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#102 Posted : Saturday, 22 October 2016 12:01:25 PM(UTC)
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They are steel, as far as I can recall all the ones I wrecked out were anyway. Headlight surrounds are plastic.


The early WB ute p van and 1 tonne were pressed steel but coloured to look plastic, so the last steel would of ended in 1980.

And the first plastic was the HB S2 Torana 1968


Afaik the 1st 4cyl Torana with a plastic Grille was the 1974 TA.
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#103 Posted : Saturday, 22 October 2016 1:43:56 PM(UTC)
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Are you guys forgetting about the WB Caprice? It would be the last steel (albeit stainless) grille on a Holden.


It is alloy. Cast alloy surround (same as Deville) and aluminium fins. It did have steel screws holding the fins to the surround!


HD to HG are also not steel they are alloy. They too had steel screws.
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#104 Posted : Sunday, 23 October 2016 6:17:53 PM(UTC)
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Which Holden was the first to have the opel 4 spd fitted to it
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#105 Posted : Sunday, 23 October 2016 8:09:03 PM(UTC)
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Which Holden was the first to have the opel 4 spd fitted to it



HR Holden with 186S.
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#106 Posted : Sunday, 23 October 2016 8:23:07 PM(UTC)
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Just 186S?
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#107 Posted : Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:09:16 PM(UTC)
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I don't know the answer to the question I asked. Yes it was an option on HR but was it tested on the HR or maybe even HD or EH ?
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#108 Posted : Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:33:23 PM(UTC)
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Just 186S?


Not confined to 186S but I'm guessing a 186S was the first.
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#109 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 5:43:32 AM(UTC)
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I would have guessed it was actually fitted to a HD initially for Engineering purposes, Dr Terry may have a better idea.
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#110 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 8:22:16 AM(UTC)
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I think the first Opel 4sp box was an option and she only came in after the HR X2 came about.
That 4sp box was made in Asia in a chook shed.
I would say it was behind some Opel Vauxhall 6 cyl and fully tested over there, some difference may be so to our box behind the big 186.
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#111 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 9:00:51 AM(UTC)
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What sort of cogbox did the HB Torana have ?
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#112 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 9:03:17 AM(UTC)
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It is later than when HR was available with M20 though.
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#113 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 11:36:41 AM(UTC)
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Are you guys forgetting about the WB Caprice? It would be the last steel (albeit stainless) grille on a Holden.


It is alloy. Cast alloy surround (same as Deville) and aluminium fins. It did have steel screws holding the fins to the surround!


HD to HG are also not steel they are alloy. They too had steel screws.


The slats of an HD or HR grille are stainless steel while the centre bar is diecast alloy. AFAIK this style of grille construction, i.e. stainless steel slats with diecast alloy surround or centre was commonplace from FE to HR. HK onward contain more alloy.

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#114 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 11:42:39 AM(UTC)
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And the first plastic was the HB S2 Torana 1968


AFAIK the only Toranas with plastic grilles are the LJ 6-cyl & the TA (1974 4-cyl). All others are aluminium.

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#115 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 11:47:56 AM(UTC)
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What sort of cogbox did the HB Torana have ?


All the HB-TA 4-cyl Torana manual gearboxes were pure Vauxhall.

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#116 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 11:54:27 AM(UTC)
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It is later than when HR was available with M20 though.


The HB came first. From memory the M20 HR was released about 3-4 weeks after the HB.

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#117 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 12:13:38 PM(UTC)
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It is later than when HR was available with M20 though.


The HB came first. From memory the M20 HR was released about 3-4 weeks after the HB.

Dr Terry


The HB had a Vauxhall 4spd transmission so the HR is still the first Holden to have an OPEL 4 spd fitted?

The HA Viva was the first passenger vehicle that GMH sold in Australia with a 4spd manual transmission as standard but as we all know it isn't a Holden.
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#118 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 12:17:54 PM(UTC)
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And the first plastic was the HB S2 Torana 1968


AFAIK the only Toranas with plastic grilles are the LJ 6-cyl & the TA (1974 4-cyl). All others are aluminium.

Dr Terry


Exactly what I thought except all Torana from LJ onwards have plastic Grilles.
So that means the HT would be the first Holden with a plastic radiator grille?

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#119 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 12:20:43 PM(UTC)
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It is later than when HR was available with M20 though.


The HB came first. From memory the M20 HR was released about 3-4 weeks after the HB.

Dr Terry


The HB had a Vauxhall 4spd transmission so the HR is still the first Holden to have an OPEL 4 spd fitted?


That is correct, I was only commenting on the timing of HR vs HB, not the Opel box thing.

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#120 Posted : Monday, 24 October 2016 12:20:47 PM(UTC)
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And the first plastic was the HB S2 Torana 1968


AFAIK the only Toranas with plastic grilles are the LJ 6-cyl & the TA (1974 4-cyl). All others are aluminium.

Dr Terry


Not sure how I ended up in the quoted text Terry!

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