Originally Posted by: Smitty2 Originally Posted by: RigPig haha.. and they stuck with it shows that it ended up all ok. Millions of engines with a bad design oil pump.
btw .. those notes are EXACTLY what you expect when developing something like this.
WE make and develop and upgrade a large range of water control devices at work...
these are used in Hot water systems, fire fighting systems, domestic and commercial water
supply as well as general plumbing.
The first one listed (and highlighted) in the pic got a chuckle from me...
oil pump relief valve stuck again.. caused by swarf.
I watched a test on a prototype PRV (pressure reducing valve) at work just
before Christmas. The failure from 8000psi water pressure was spectacular!
The cause of the PRV failure ...? swarf
So if the swarf builds up the Piston don't move down and eventually she could move up ? the higher the more pressure.
How does this piston moving up and down truly regulate the PSI within the pump body.
And why does the swarf get in, you would think that such a thing that everything goes through the filter. well one would think, So who checks the valve ? no one ! and why not, well if you do or did want to have a look see, the point as to why not to do such is, you will have to prime the pump after doing such, I do believe.
So one can not just have a look see by undoing the nut, pull out the spring, don't touch the piston ? and just dig the swarf out and put the spring back in and do up the nut. If the piston comes out well the oil may come out ? so then you will not have to prim the pump ?
That being said I think nothing is wrong with the design of the pump.
As I was worried back in 1982 of story's of the pumps being rubbish, so I puled mine out to have a look see and all was fine but for all the swarf, it was so much full of swarf that I am sure the piston could not move, so can they work full of swarf, then what happens ? all the swarf just chews out the body ? or was most of such as that story to do with people taking the intake off or the heads and letting all the shit drop into the sump and then the pump picks that shit up and chews out the pump and then some dumb c makes stupid claims that the pumps are 3rd rate shit.
I had a oil pump on my 308 do over 460.000km so they can't be shit.
Then comes the story of a engine with revving duty over say 5500rpm or then again to say 6500 and then again over 6500rpm ? then issues can change!
I have always thought of the stock Holden Red motors being able to sit on 4500rpm all day long on the highway, so if you were to run in the NT keep it under 4500 and all is fine but if you go up to over 4800rpm is a no no because the valves get hammered due to a shimmy effect and at 5000rpm you get valve bounce. you may be able to rev to 5500rpm in 1st 2ed and 3rd for a short burst, but by top gear the time frame of the shimmy kicks in, not to mention this hammers the collets I believe and they flog out and you can then end up to drop a valve.
So the pump is fine to 4500rpm easy all day long regardless and maybe to 5500rpm ?
So this gets to why should one modify the pump. why and how and when ? Is volume a problem ? is PSI a problem ? I would think to 5000rpm, no !
I remember a mates Red 308 and it revved to 7000rpm and it had flats machined on the side of the lifters, now that would of made more of a demand on the oil pump ? but it was fine.