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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 4 July 2023 8:38:14 PM(UTC)
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I have a 440 V8 Hemi engine out of a boat. It’s a dry sump engine obviously marinised to suit a ski boat. Apparently it’s had work done to it.
What do I need to do to get it to run in my shed? Do I need to buy a normal sump and convert it back to wet sump? I just want to see if it goes really.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 4 July 2023 9:03:03 PM(UTC)
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Does it have a balancer driven oil pump?

Note it’s not a Hemi, it’s a Wedge. In that timeframe the only Hemi in the USA was a 426. The 440 is an RB Wedge. Still an awesome thing but not in the 426’s league. Would go nice in an old Valiant.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 4 July 2023 9:39:50 PM(UTC)
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Good to know on the Hemi. I’ll check it out tomorrow.
I have Dads old pilot house Fargo Ute in the shed. Maybe one day the 440 might end up in it.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 5 July 2023 11:53:24 AM(UTC)
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Good to know on the Hemi. I’ll check it out tomorrow.
I have Dads old pilot house Fargo Ute in the shed. Maybe one day the 440 might end up in it.


haha... thats about as silly as fitting a jet engine to an old FODEN Applause
Club circuit racing...the best fun you can have with your pants on
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 5 July 2023 12:45:19 PM(UTC)
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I’d be looking for a wide engine bay vehicle like a 1970’s Valiant or even a HQ-HJ. Would need significantly more Engineering though in a HQ for engine and transmission mounts for a 440 and 727 than a 454 and TH400, and probably going backwards in power and torque anyway. I think the highest factory power out of a 440 was 385hp from the Six Pack (3x2BBL carbs). They weren’t built as factory hipo race engines anyway, didn’t need to be as that was what the Hemi (the 426 Hemi, there was also a 426 Wedge). There was a competition version of the Wedge, called a Max Wedge which was a 426 Wedge that was rated as high as 425hp. These were crazy engines with big cross-ram intakes and dual 4BBL Carters. These were replaced by the mighty Hemi 426 in 1964 though.

Have a look at the width of one in the second picture down in the link below. Check out the size of the radiator!

https://www.drivingline....slers-muscle-car-engine/

Another little article with a few minor facts and history:

https://musclecarclub.co...rysler-440-engine-guide/

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#6 Posted : Friday, 7 July 2023 8:49:41 AM(UTC)
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Seems like a good choice for the Fargo really. No doubt the beam axle and drum brakes might not be such a good match. However my 2020 Ram is hopelessly overpowered with its 5.7 motor (try giving it a boot full on the dirt with traction control off and watch it understeer straight through the first corner you come to, or give it too much in the wet at 100 on the highway going around a rough corner) so what could go wrong in a 50’s version of the same car? I doubt the 440 puts out as much power as the current Ram motor does it?
Interesting fact, we put the Ram next to our 2019 WRX STI, the ram was faster off the mark to 100.
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#7 Posted : Friday, 7 July 2023 10:49:39 AM(UTC)
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The DS Express with the rear axle we get here is almost exactly the same 1/4 mile time as an XY GT-HO and a HT-HG GTS350 ie 14.8.
I wouldn’t call it overpowered though, mine could do with another 75kW at least, especially now it has a heavy as hell Snugtop canopy on it. I just wish we’d got the 6.4L version.

What mine does need badly is an Eaton truetrac. I used to complain about the LSD in my Hilux that whenever I tried to accelerate in the Hilux that it kept going sideways but this is worse, it just spins one wheel and axle tramps. Makes it a nightmare to try and accelerate into traffic in the wet.

Here's what mine looks like now. This is in Launceston Tasmania.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, 20 July 2023 3:05:00 PM(UTC)
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The oil pump appears to be mounted the same as a Holden V8 pump.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 20 July 2023 3:08:39 PM(UTC)
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It has a tag on the heat exchanger/exhaust manifold that says ;
Marine engine by Chrysler
Model 383BWL10

Is it possible that it could turn backwards for twin boat engine set up? It was out of a single engine ski boat.

Can I just bolt a normal sump and pick up on and fire it up?
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2023 12:40:20 AM(UTC)
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Hate to break the bad news, you already know it is not a Hemi, but it's not a 440 either! Still a big block, but a 383 cube.

Can you check what way hhe starter turns it?
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2023 7:28:50 AM(UTC)
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Yes it could spin backwards. Will have a different cam and distributor, and possibly a different rear main seal.

Here you can get a manual for it:

https://www.emanualonlin...8-383-413-emo-85585.html
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2023 8:37:47 AM(UTC)
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Hmm. 383. Are they a good thing?
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#13 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2023 8:44:08 AM(UTC)
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Might be just what Chris needs for a charger Sandaro?
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#14 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2023 10:34:27 AM(UTC)
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Same engine family as 440. Like a 366, 396 and 402 are the same engine family as 427, 454, 496, 502. A 396 goes hard, just not as torque as a 454. Like a 350 vs a 302. 440 vs 383 will be similar.

Have a read here:

https://musclecarclub.co...-383-mopar-engine-guide/
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#15 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2023 7:03:11 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Byron. Can do a fair bit with one if you want to!
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