Hey all

I just wanted to bring up a topic seeing as though im a kid and i will be on my p-plates soon.

I have gathered up of stats of Holden engines from the 60s through to now. this relates to in Victoria you are not allowed V8's.

A VB blue 253 generates 87kw at 4000rpm (oh my god!)

A series 1 VN Buick 3.6L chucks out 125kw at 4800rpm and that is the lowest of the EFI commodores you'll get.

We are allowed to buy a VZ standard 3.6L engine and that generates 175-172kw (don't know at what RPM) which is almost around what a Red 308 does.

WB,VC,VH,VK blue 253 single exhaust dose 100kw at 4200rpm and 115kw with the dual exhaust which is still lower then the VN's Buick

WB,VC,VH,VK blue 308 dual exhaust is 126kw at 4200rpm

The red 253 does 138kw at 4400rpm and the red 308 does 179kw at 4800rpm

so why aren't we allowed to put a blue 253 in our Hk's or Hq's and drive them on our p plates and they worry about 'hoons' and V8's when all the EFI commodores do more?

shouldn't we be allowed a Blue 253 V8 on p-plates? it pumps out a massive 87kw-100kw (a red 173 pumps out 84kw at 4400rpm but they haven't been outlawed for p platers)

shouldn't the law be made on power rating instead of how many cylinders it has? cant the law be p-platers are allowed a blue 253 V8 in their car with a single exhaust with the standard carby?

did the state government think about this or did they really revise the law they made?

this is just what i think after reading the stats.

agree or disagree.

P.S don't yell at me

Edited by user Tuesday, 14 April 2009 2:37:30 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

yes this law is crap, my vx has more power than a old v8 (both standard) so why is it illegal for a p-plater to drive the old v8??? its clearly not a power issue is it!
i think its a case of the people making these laws dont really know st!t about cars

they have finally copped on about this with the motorbikes in vic, learners are now under LAMS (learner approved motorcycle scheme) meaning the bike has to be under 750kw per ton, which means alot of the 250cc bikes cant be ridden, but some older 650cc bikes can be

this is a much better and fairer system, maybe the law makers should consider this



if it wasnt for the last minute id get nothing done

If someone is gunna drive like a moron they will do it no mater what they are driving. its the morons that should be restricted which is imposable.
Also you never mentioned the engines torque only the HP i had a bog stock VB SLE 4.2 that would have easly kept up with mates VP.
My 18 year old female cousin has lost her liscense already less then 12 months after she got her Ps and she drives a pissy little 4 banger. she got done 128 in an 80 then was pulled over the next week doing over 80 in a 60 zone. maybe some shock therapy when getting your liscense may help? show them a picture a child torn to pieces by a some moron having a harmless street race.

it should be about the power itself of course, not that if it is a 4 cyl that pumps out a huge amount that yes you can drive it because it is a 4 cyl.It does also lie with training the kids and awareness of the Consequences of THERE actions

think you will do just fine .

Its the law. It doesnt have to make sense. Same as in Tassie if you own a V8 then rego is $100 more per year than a 6 or 4. Makes no sense to me in this day and age when a lot of modern 4 cyl engines output way more power then my 5L V8, but you can gather as much stats as you can get your hands on I dont think that will change the legislation. Unless a whole heap of people get up in arms about it it probably wont change. Its a pain for me as well as Im about to start looking for a Kingswood to teach the GF to drive in, and Id really like it to be on gas, a manual and a V8. No can do.

i know it,s crap you can kill anyone in anything,ok they say you cant drive a v8 cause the polies and police rember when they were young that if you wanted to go fast you had a v8 and you could modife them to go even faster, we have all seen the 10,sec redgestered hq (15 years ago that is)the fast four turbo toys, say last ten years? 2.0 lt twin cam turbo under 1000kg,s, im sure it,s only a matter of time befor it will some how include power to weight ratio.
pete.

i have to agree with the ideas that it shouldnt cylinder based but the problem is what do you base it on?
i started in a worked 3.3 wb with my ps then went to a worked ls1 for the final 6 months of my ps
thankfully in wa we dunt have restrictions yet.
but i never had a problem with a cop ever.
I think before getting their licence there needs to be sum sort of reality check, wether it be graphic pictures or video whatever really.
It isnt what you drive its how u drive and the mindset you have

P platers, or more to the point younger newer drivers need experience experience experience. Not the the ability to speed. I dont mean to sound like a fuddy duddy cos I did all that stuff myself but thankfully Im still here. I remember doing stupid things like driving around with my mates while blind drunk. IDIOT! Lucky I never killed anyone. Pure luck. Not all of my mates back then were that lucky.

But to illustrate the point, there is a young P plate couple, (late teens early twenties max) who drop their baby at our local child care. I have seen this guy speed into the carpark in his conformodore on many occassion and yelled at him to slow down while Im carrying my 2 year old daughter. He just doesnt see the reality of little kids running all over the place. Or the consequences... To him its just a car park. The guy is an idiot. Like I was. Yesterday he reversed out very fast with out looking and a mother with a 3 year old and carrying a baby had to jump out of the way and hit her fist on the back of his car to make him stop before she was crushed. I nearly witnessed something really horrible and I gave him another serve as did she. No apology. He just drove off. This guy is a complete knob. Maybe when his baby starts walking he will be able to get his pea brain around the concept.

I dont mean any offence to the original poster as he seems to have his head screwed on right. My point is that it all takes time and experience, as this guy has a kid himself yet he cant see the issues surounding speeding and not looking when hes reversing, in a child care carpark. Perhaps in another few years he will?

And Im not saying having a 4 cylinder or a V8 would make any difference in this circumstance. They both squash people. Im just saying that P platers need to learn about more than where the accelerator pedal is.

Thats my rant...

you just admited to nearly crashing ur car when it wasnt an 8? So how is it the cars fault? U can roll an excel and u can roll an ss. If the driver messes up things go wrong. The car doesnt crash for you.